• @Etterra
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    My favorite is when you give a Christian evidence of any sort and they block you because they lack any counterargument. God is good? Here’s a Bible passage about smashing babies on rocks. God hates prostitutes? Here’s that part where Jesus washes women’s feet with his hair. Nobody understands electricity? Then why don’t you stick a key in an outlet? The eyeball is proof of creation? Here’s a literal demonstration of how they have evolved multiple times from simple light-sensing cells. Blocked, blocked, blocked, yelled at then blocked.

    I could go on all damned day, but you get the point. Blind faith is antithetical to logic, full stop. As far as I’m concerned, it’s a psychological disorder, regardless of the object of said faith.

    • @Crashumbc
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      161 month ago

      Not only that, but delusions needed to support religion and basically hard coded into these people since birth. Makes them susceptible to being controlled by others.

      • @[email protected]
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        31 month ago

        That’s my problem with the agnostic moderate who says “the problem is just organized religion”. They’re acting like the truth doesn’t matter, and fail to acknowledge the risk of a society that practices deluding ourselves like a sport.

    • @kofe
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      It took me a while to deconstruct from Christianity because Catholic schools aren’t terrible at encouraging critical thinking (at least in my area). I’m still trying to wrap my brain around the existence of everything, and usually handwave from a non-christian perspective, but still not scientific.

      Anyway, I’ve had tough conversations with my parents about it. They get upset that I don’t believe a virgin cis-girl (not woman, mind you - canonically Mary was 12) can be impregnated without sperm. Or that Jesus performed miracles or that he or Lazarus rose from the dead. But I don’t argue with them about whether a god exists anymore cuz idfk and likely never will

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        You know, we could even grant them that a virgin birth is not impossible, without conceding that it’s a miracle. Fish, amphibians, maybe reptiles, and a host of other life forms are known to reproduce asexually, even if many normally do engage in sexual reproduction. I don’t believe it’s been observed in birds, and I’m sure never in mammals. But that doesn’t mean it’s impossible!

        Or miraculous.

          • @kofe
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            11 month ago

            More likely intersex, though there’s no documented cases of completed pregnancies from one person impregnating themselves (I’m about to do some googling, but last time I did all I came up with were tabloids). I’d think it more likely the whole virgin part was a lie. Plenty of those kinds of cases with individuals and families trying to cover up a young child’s innocence, unfortunately

      • masterofn001
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        TIL Jesus and I may have some things in common.

        TIL2 WAM femdom is in the bible.

        ( Don’t look that up at work, or in public, or around anyone )

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      As far as I’m concerned, it’s a psychological disorder, regardless of the object of said faith.

      Yeah, hard belief is manic.

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      My favourite is when an atheist tries to quote the Bible and completely fails. Found a bible passage about smashing babies on rocks? Let’s now read the context. THEY (the Babylonians, who incidentally weren’t following God’s law at the time) did that to US (Israel). The song is a song of mourning and loss, and imagined revenge, as if that would make it better (it doesn’t), but it isn’t sanctioned, so we can’t.

      So how exactly is that a counterargument to God being good? Or am I bashing my head against a brick wall here, talking to an atheist with unshakeable blind faith in his demonstrably incorrect position.

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        This part sounds kinda not very nice:

        16 “You are not to leave even one person alive in the cities of these nations that the Lord your God is about to give you as an inheritance. 17 You must completely destroy the Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, just as the Lord your God commanded you,".

        Deuteronomy 20:16-18

        Joshua 6 is basically:

        God: here’s how to overthrow your enemy.

        Josh: cool! oh, I’m just gonna kill everyone and everything in the town - man, woman, child, cow, grass - and burn it all down for fun because I hate these fuckers.

        God: just don’t bring that foreign bitch.

      • @[email protected]
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        41 month ago

        I think they’re making a general statement about all the crazy shit in the old testament, not basing their whole point on that one interpretation. What do you think about the other stuff they mentioned?

          • @[email protected]
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            31 month ago

            “Trust me, I could totally answer your question and it would blow your mind and totally convert you. I won’t, but trust me I could if I cared to.”

            Seems like the bible says you’re not a very good Christian in that case:

            1 Peter 3:15

            15But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.

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              Sure, but we’re not in a gentleness and respect situation here. There’s me, and there’s a bunch of rabid fundamentalist atheists present. And no doubt some calm and rational ones too, but they’re not making themselves known at the moment. For example just look at the strawman (the bit between quotes) and judgmentalism (the prefix to your bible quote) in your own post. I think a good debater could and would avoid both those potholes.

              Not my quote but I like it nonetheless: when asking WWJD, remember that turning over tables and chasing everyone round with a whip is an option.

            • @[email protected]
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              I’d probably DuckDuckGo it. I based that comment on the use of the words “what” and “about”.

              /me visits DDG…

              Eh, maybe it’s the wrong word. This sort of reminds me of a discussion I saw on YT a few months ago between a Christian taking the eye argument, and Prof Dawkins giving his best response: lots of mights, maybes, could’ves, topped off with billions of years, which doesn’t appear to satisfy the former who then follows up with “what about…” I can’t remember what, but I do remember the gist of Dawkins’ response which was something along the lines of: you led with your best; I answered that; I’m not going round in circles at this point. So I’m with Dawkins now (and in fact as a Christian I actually agree with a lot of what he says. We do need to think things through and not take them on blind faith.)

              So in other words I’ve given a sound explanation for the dashing babies on a rock question and I’m going to leave it there.

              • @[email protected]
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                31 month ago

                Right but God does so much cruel stuff in the old testament that it’s weird to miss and dispute that overall point.

                • @[email protected]
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                  Sure. But there’s a process.

                  1. Patience.
                  2. Send prophets to try to correct behaviour.
                  3. More patience.
                  4. More prophets.
                  5. Patience and prophets, over and over.
                  6. OK fine, you won’t have it any other way. Judgment.

                  We see prophets actually work. Jonah didn’t want to go to Nineveh, he wanted to jump straight to 6, but God had other plans. When God finally got him to go to Nineveh, the people listened, repented, and judgment was avoided. The reason Jonah didn’t want to go is that he thought there was a strong possibility of that outcome and he wanted the Ninevites to suffer judgment.

                  Hmm… just noticed the sidebar. This defence of the OT probably violates Rule 1. Forget the above, yay God, what a dick, punishing people for being evil!

  • AFK BRB Chocolate
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    Oxygen is measurable. We can detect even tiny amounts of it, we know its makeup, we have well characterized its behavior, and we can make it work for us.

    We have no evidence for the existence of any gods. Seems like we can exist without them just fine.

    • @theangryseal
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      Bro, you can literally look at pictures of Vissarion. God lives in Siberia. 🙄

      • AFK BRB Chocolate
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        61 month ago

        You almost had me, but his Wikipedia lists his profession as “spiritual teacher,” not “God.”

        • @theangryseal
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          21 month ago

          That was written by a heretic.

          He’s Christ bruh, just look at him.

    • @ModernEraCaveman
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      wb the Quran? The only book uncorrupted in its existence. In it God says He will preserve the book, and if it is a fabrication He challenges you to produce even a single Suraht (chapter) like it. Also neither God nor the angels will appear until the Day of Judgement, so asking for either while you persist in disbelief is kind of a bad idea.

      Bring on the downvotes, it’s the worst/best you can do.

      • AFK BRB Chocolate
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        111 days ago

        Look at you, bringing this thread back from the dead.

        First of all, even if we take what you’re saying at face value, how does it being an original text in any way prove that its contents are true? If I made up a completely original story today about a stuffed animal that eats pickles and poops diamonds, would that mean that such a thing exists?

        Secondly, we can’t take what you’re said at face value because Qur’anic and Muslim scholars are very divided about the origins of the Quran.

  • @samus12345
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    491 month ago

    So you’re saying we just need to freeze god to see him?

    • Flying SquidOP
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      It’s worth a try. We need to get some revenge and revenge is a dish best served cold.

    • @WereCat
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      Yes, it’s the cold truth

    • @kelargo
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      God is just on the other side of absolute zero kelvin, right over there.

    • @Viking_Hippie
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      111 month ago

      And make him into the most artisinal smoothie in all of Portland!

    • @[email protected]
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      This looks like someone who has used a soldering iron to draw Jesus on a piece of toast and then countersunk it into a second larger piece of toast.

      Which I doubt was easy.

    • @KrankyKong
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      Holy mother Mary and Joseph! Do my eyes deceive me or is that the son of God etched into my sandwich!? Could it have been divine intervention that compelled me to put the cheese on the outside?! Literally no other explanation exists for why I might’ve done that!

    • @AngryCommieKender
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      That reminds me of a picture of “Jesus” that kept bleeding through the paint in one of my old landlord’s apartments. He tasked me with stripping the paint off the wall to find out what was actually below the white paint he had slapped up. Several layers of white paint below the surface, I found an absolutely gorgeous oil paint mural of Bob Marley.

    • GladiusB
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      51 month ago

      How does oxygen change on it’s own?

      • @[email protected]
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        71 month ago

        Well, we call it chemistry, but the forces at play existed long before we even knew to name them.

        • GladiusB
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          21 month ago

          I understand. But if it’s isolated it’s considered non reactive. (I manage a hazmat DOT fleet)

          • @[email protected]
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            11 month ago

            Ok? That’s neat, I just fail to see the relevance I guess. A god would be harmless too, if it was isolated from the rest of the universe.

            • GladiusB
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              I’m asking how it’s going to react with stuff. In like a basic chemistry kind of way.

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                Seems like something a hazmat DOT fleet manager would already know though, so I guess I just don’t know why you’re asking that. And truthfully, I don’t particularly care, as, again, I fail to see the relevance. I mean like, if it’s real chemical kinetic information that you’re after, there are innumerable better sources than the comments section of a meme page on a fringe social media platform. If you’re trying to make a point about my original tongue-in-cheek comparison, feel free to make it.

                • GladiusB
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                  Ok. You can just accept you’re wrong rather than double downing and sounding less educated than you originally did.

    • @[email protected]
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      It’s amazing. Especially when you’re trying to chill and prime a pump, and there’s gallons of it flowing across it’s own vapor in puddles.

      Just try not and think about what happens if it flows across that oil spill and you step in it.

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          Oxygen loves hydrogen. Hydrocarbons have lots of hydrogen. Oil is hydrocarbon.

          Add enough energy to start the chemical reaction, and BOOM. Along with all the things that go with exothermic and expansion reactions (ie, your foot gets blown off, and anything that can burn in the area likely will be)

          Also, get things hot enough with oxygen around, and things you think can’t burn, will. Including steel.

          Look up oxygen compressor fires. It’s scarily interesting.

  • Flying SquidOP
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    I realize I’m posting a complaint in my own thread so it’s my own fault, but I keep getting “Love is Like Oxygen” by Sweet stuck in my head since I’ve posted this.

    • @AngryCommieKender
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      Ok, I’ll bite. Why/how is liquid oxygen dangerous? Doesn’t it just basically instantly boil into gas if it gets anywhere outside of its cryo chamber?

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        Not really, it stays liquid until it boils, so it can stay outside the cryo chamber for a few seconds. And since it’s pure oxygen, on top of the dangers with liquid gases being super cold, it’s also a potent oxidizer, so it can set fire to some fuels without a hear source

    • @Etterra
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      Probably not. If you can pony up some testable proof of his alleged existence I’ll reconsider my stance. In the meantime I refuse to believe that any good, as described, is worse at keeping their followers in line than the gods invented by Gary Fucking Gygax.

      • Mocking Moniker
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        You already have everything you need in the way of proof.

        • @Olhonestjim
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          Oooh! We do? That’s awesome! We must have overlooked something. Thank goodness you’re here to clarify things.

          So what’s this proof that we somehow missed, please?

        • @[email protected]
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          You can do better than that. Plenty of arguments convinces people who already believe to stay in their faith, you could have used one of those.

        • @chetradley
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          I have a theological question, maybe for you or just in general. My understanding is that the definition of faith is a belief in the absence of evidence. If you were able to prove God’s existence, would you no longer have faith, and by seeking proof are you inherently questioning your own faith?

  • @Sterile_Technique
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    You don’t even need oxygen to be in a liquid or solid state to see it: oxygen is the reason the sky is blue. When you look through a large enough volume of gaseous oxygen, as you do when you step outside in the day time, you can see it just fine.

  • @hellofriend
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    How cold do we gotta get God in order to see him?