• @[email protected]
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    Even if this image were real, and it was provable that it was the biblical Goliath, how in the fuck does that have anything to do with disproving evolution lol

    • @[email protected]
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      1171 month ago

      Christians: "Well, you see, God was right because the Bible was proved true. That’s why it disproves your silly science.

      The Bible contains everything about life! If it’s not in there, it doesn’t exist!"

      People: “Show me where in the Bible it has kangaroos.”

      Christians: “We’re being oppressed!”

      • Dizzy Devil Ducky
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        I absolutely love it when the crazy Christians try to pull the “If it’s not in the Bible, it doesn’t exist!” thing because at that point most everything they use on an every day basis must all be fictional things that don’t exist.

        Internet? Not in the Bible.

        Smart phones? Nope.

        Cars? Not a chance.

        Facebook? Haell No.

        TV? They wish.

        • @drunkpostdisaster
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          Or they give you one of these “what year is?” “2024” “2024 what?” "AD: “and what does AD stand for?”

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              Just saying that is unlikely to persuade any religious crazies. Especially since NDGT came out and said he uses BC/AD because the Gregorian calendar was worked out by a priest so he’ll give them that nomenclature point. It’s just an arbitrary scale anyway.

          • @barsquid
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            “We’ve taken over the governments of world powers and forced our Christ-centric numbering system to be standard, therefore we must have been right all along!”

          • @Arrkk
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            And what year did we start using that calendar system? Oh right, it was 525.

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          Wow is that really a thing? So dumb.

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            I’ve seen a handful of people in my life who believes this. Don’t know how common it is, though.

  • @Darkard
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    “Finally found some credible evidence”

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    Fun fact: If (big if) Goliath really existed, he was probably suffering from acromegaly. It is characterized by a person not stopping to grow after puberty. The reason for that is an enlarged, tumorous pituary gland in the brain. So David hitting Goliath between the eyes might actually have ruptured the tumour, leading to internal bleeding in his brain and killing Goliath.

    So the whole biblical story might be based on something that actually happened and then probably got more and more dramaticised every time it was told.

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      It could also be based on any random tall dude dying from getting hit in the face by a flying rock, rare medical condition or not.

    • @scutiger
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      Or maybe getting hit in the head by a rock launched from a sling is enough to make a person’s head basically explode.

      Seriously, a competent sling user can easily kill someone with one.

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        181 month ago

        I found a quick little video demonstration of a guy using a sling and stone against a ballistic gel head.

        Just judging off of that, I would agree that weird tumors would not need to be involved for a sling to kill a large fellow.

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          That was nauseating when he pulls the would d back even though it’s gel. Thank you for the video

    • @UnderpantsWeevil
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      Hitting someone square in the forehead with a rock, in the Bronze Age, was a quick way to kill them regardless of size. There’s a reason this image

      is both iconic and incredibly triggering to the IDF. You whip that thing around hard and fast enough, and you’re going to crack a head.

      So the whole biblical story might be based on something that actually happened

      I don’t find the story of a young, spry soldier with a bit of luck and some good aim thwacking a rival warlord with a rock implausible in the slightest. Its all the propaganda packed in around the story, what with David having some sort of euphoric epiphany and the rock being magicked by God to score the killing blow, that causes folks to roll their eyes in disbelief.

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        Also he totally fought a lion before he went up against Goliath. David was a bigger badass than Goliath the entire time

        Can you tell me more about that picture?

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        Also, I think I’ve heard that shepards would be skilled with a sling.

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          It makes sense, hanging out in a field all day with nothing to do but flip rocks at stuff, you’d git gud quick.

          • @Mirshe
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            It was a pretty common peasant weapon purely because you could make one super easy, and it fired a thing you could literally pick off the ground. Sling a rock at a wolf or a bear and it’ll probably either be dead or get the hint of “ah shit that guy hurts to fight, I’ll go find some other bastard.”

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          It really is an incredibly powerful image. I’m a bit shocked I somehow hadn’t come across it before.

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      It probably isn’t even all that dramatacized,

      It is not hard at all to do serious damage with a genuinely made sling, there’s a reason people wielding those things operated as a military unit in ancient times, and they were pretty mean spirited folks too!

      They’d actually write insults and jokes on the stones like “CATCH ME!”, “HEADS UP!” “OUCH!” “BONK!”

      Basically the historical inaccuracies would be in terminology rather than exact action, and also in David not following the shot up with “THINK FAST CHUCKLENUTS!”

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        Imagine being a 6ft dude and some little bastard pulls out a gun and shoots you dead while the town cheers about that how courageous that little shit is.

    • @Dkarma
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      The Bible isn’t real.

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      I’m thinking, since it wasn’t written down until centuries after it supposedly happened, that the most likely answer is that it was just bullshit.

      The closest evidence we have to David even existing is a tablet caved by someone who [may have] claimed to be of the House of David.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Dan_stele

      • @optissima
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        Oral history is significantly more accurate than you’re making it out to be.

        • Flying Squid
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          There is no reason to assume oral history with no corroborating evidence is true and the lack of corroborating evidence is good reason to be skeptical.

          The entire Bible is oral history. I assume you don’t place similar validity in the Garden of Eden and the Tower of Babel.

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            I didn’t say that oral history is 100% accurate. I said it’s more accurate than you assume, which based on what you said seemed to be “it’s all made up.”

            • Flying Squid
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              which based on what you said seemed to be “it’s all made up.”

              That is simply a lie.

              I said “the most likely answer” is that it was bullshit due to only being oral history without any corroborating evidence. I did not even remotely imply that all oral history is made up.

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                I’m thinking, since it wasn’t written down until centuries after it supposedly happened, that the most likely answer is that it was just bullshit.

                Your basis for discounting it is “it wasn’t written down.” That’s all oral tradition. I wasn’t trying to argue with you, I just wanted to see an amendment to your statement that recognized that this sentence is inaccurate. Seeing as you’re rolling back on it, I’ll take it as such.

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                  Yet again, “most likely answer” does not imply in any way that all oral history is made up. That’s simply a lie.

                  I recognized nothing I said as inaccurate. That is another lie.

                  Stop lying.

  • lurch (he/him)
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    lol how is goliath proof for creationism. it’s just some big rando. this is so silly

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      Is wine not proof of creationism? Pretty sure there was wine in the bible and I’ve definitely seen wine irl. Checkmate.

    • @UnderpantsWeevil
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      God created one very big dude one time specifically so that his Prophesized God-King could bean the giant in the head with a big rock. We know this to be true because of this definitely real and serious image of a big fossilized human skull.

      If evolution were real, we’d have an entire genetic lineage of giants running around. But we don’t, because no other very absolutely credibly real super-sized skulls have ever appeared in a picture before.

      So, checkmate Atheists.

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      If anything, i think a giant human would impy evolution. People don’t grt that big anymore, so like they evolved to a smaller size

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    At 7 cubits tall his skull would still not be that big. They should have claimed it was a nephilim skull instead.

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            1.8806 " 1880.6 microsmoots. Approximately one kit without the kaboodle.

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              That would be millismoots, not microsmoots.

              • @Wogi
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                Yeah in metric but Edwin Schenedererer who came up with the system confused the two in his initial proposal and the convention stuck. It wasn’t until years later when he published The theory of lesser Smoot that he corrected his mistake.

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    Also Goliath was canonically 9 ft 9 inches tall. That fake skull alone is at least 2 feet tall. The average proportion of head to body height in humans is a ratio of 1:7.5. So the owner of this skull would likely be at least 15 feet tall. Much larger than Goliath.

  • @an_onanist
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    Also curious as to how it ended up it central Italy.

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        First they would have to carry the head to the coast which is no easy task without a Toyota. You make it sound like crossing the Mediterranean is easy but storms are frequent and problematic. The ancient Israelites were not known for their seafaring prowess. In fact, they once got lost in the desert for 40 fucking years, so their ability to navigate by the stars is doubtful. Once they arrived in Italy, then, they would have had to cart that monstrosity hundreds of miles to Rome. And remember, this was before all road led there so, even more difficult. Finally, one should ask themselves why they would bother.

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          Exactly, at the time only Nissan was widely available, which is useless for this purpose.

      • Flying Squid
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        The Mediterranean is very stormy. It’s a lot more difficult than you would think.

        There is a reason half of The Odyssey is Odysseus getting shipwrecked or blown off course by one storm or another.

    • FuglyDuck
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      And how it was exposed to the elements, sitting on the forest floor, and yet survived…. Remarkably intact…

    • @Cosmicomical
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      You don’t know? Unlike the rest of italy, central italy is famously situated in the middle east

  • @Jiggle_Physics
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    I mean, Goliath was called a giant but wasn’t “my skull is the size of a full grown man’s torso” big. He is said to be about 9’-9’9". Which, if there was historical legitimacy to the story, could easily be within the range of a very tall person that had their height exaggerated over time.

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      Agreed. Units are hard and for most of history there wasn’t a wiki where you could look up the conversion between cubits, greek feet, roman feet, italian feet, french feet, and english feet to maybe get to some idea of how tall the “huge guy” was.

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        Yeah, also, imagine in the bronze age, a shaq sized dude was found and trained to be an elite warrior. I could totally see the men of that era, who encountered him in battle, telling tall tails of a 9 foot giant they had to fight.

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          I mean yeah Shaq would wreck shit back then, humans were generally much shorter in the past. Goliath would have seemed a giant if he were 6’3”

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    Goliath died outside of Jerusalem, too, not Rome. And his people were Greek, not Roman, so it’s not like his remains would be taken back to Rome. And if he really was such a champion, his remains wouldn’t be left in a random forest with no marker or ruins about.

    EDIT: No time for the old “Philistines aren’t Greeks,” love, I’ve just come to read the meter.

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    It’s on a random Facebook page, it must be true

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      It’s on a random Facebook page and it aligns with what I feel should be true, it must be true.

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    Uh, no, the side was smashed in.

    edit: all talking about between the eyes, but i learned from that part in religion lessons that the temple is a weak point on our skull.
    Difference between european and american version?

    • @scutiger
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      It just looks like forced perspective. The skull could easily be a normal skull and the guy like 10 feet away from it.