As someone who looked up to the US as a kid in totalitarian East Germany, I feel so sad about what this country is turning into.
Hitler copied segregation from the Jim Crow South. Also, before that is even worse in the US. A sizeable part of the US population was forcibly taken from their families and subjected to a lifetime of hard labor and rape. This was considered legal and normal at the time.
Every so often you hear about some freako who has kidnapped someone and kept them alive for years chained in a basement. Maybe they have to work or do sexual favors for their captor. We now consider that person a victim and their captor the worst kind of criminal. That disgusting criminal was an average slaveowner in the US South.
Hitler mentioned Jim crow with praise in mein kampf.
Black GIs came back from killing nazis to be tied to trees and tortured.
The south lost a war, then ignored everything and went right back to doing what they were doing for 150 years.
George Washington bypassed multiple state laws about runaway slaves being granted their freedom in an effort to get his slave Ona Judge back.
this is literally the guy that’s supposed to be freedom incarnate violating state rights to get his fucking slave back illegally.
USA was truly fucked from the beginning.
He also died a hilariously painfully long death at least.
As someone else said, the secret is that the US isn’t ‘turning into’, it’s been bad for at least a century. We’ve finally gotten to the point where racism is starting to get unpopular enough that it’s not just normal and largely ignored.
We have gone through cycles where the racists are unpopular enough to have to hide their intentions or “true feelings” behind convoluted rhetoric (red-lining housing, welfare and food stamp rules, or just blue lives matter, for instance), or just plain hiding (like the nighttime hooded gatherings).
We knew about them, but kept them marginalized. Now they are less marginalized, but also encouraged by a right wing nationalist Republican Party that has far too much of a chance of controlling the country in a few months.
The problem is that they are loud, and have majorities in places where their vote literally counts more. Low population red states especially (Wyoming, Idaho, Dakotas), and districts that have been gerrymandered around to weaken liberal democratic representation that overall outnumbers the racists, is seriously dangerous and un-democractic.
Time to do a Bleeding Kansas again. But a bunch of them
All countries have their crazies. Currently we’re seeing a wave of said crazy minority rising up (Duterte, Bolsonaro, AfD, Mussolini, RN). Sometimes we become so complacent as a people that we forget these kinds of ideologies exist. So they fester and attract others. Hopefully this time we don’t have to fight a war to top it and can change the tides peacefully.
Folks wave these flags and the cops just wave back.
But try hosting a union rally at a Starbucks or Amazon warehouse, and security will be on you like white on rice.
Something about some who work forces and sumsuch.
- like white on a Klansman.
Fixed that for you.
That probably has something to do with private property. I wouldn’t expect anything to happen to you waving a pro-union flag on a corner like this either.
We can hate Nazis without making stupid comparisons.
I wouldn’t expect anything to happen to you waving a pro-union flag on a corner like this either.
This is a good example of exactly what I meant. It has to do with private property.
Honestly, when I saw the link, I expected to be directed to an instance of someone being arrested on public property. But no.
It has to do with private property.
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Workers cannot leave the jobsite to meet with people bringing them lunch
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People bringing lunch can’t carry the food onto the jobsite without being arrested
Beginning to feel like its the people who are the property.
If we’re playing dumb, sure.
Here in reality, it seems that specific person who was not an employee was not permitted on their private property.
Also, this wasn’t just lunch and anyone who read your link knows that so can we quit being cute?
that specific person who was not an employee was not permitted on their private property
My staff orders a pizza, but I arrest the pizza delivery guy because he is not an employee. Because Private Property.
Also, this wasn’t just lunch
No. They were wearing pro-union t-shirts while they delivered the lunch, which means they were committing a crime.
Alright. Keep playing ignorant.
But thanks for the example of exactly what I meant.
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It has to do with private property
chaotic good is the way. fuck your property laws.
Dislike/disobey them all you want. It’s reality which the other user helpfully provided an example of.
Learning the difference between public and private property can help you avoid the stupid comparisons which started this thread.
“Whites against replacement”. WAR
Like, you can raise awareness on any issue you think is happening, but that flag you’re flying says this has nothing to do with “replacement”.
Speaking as a “white”, I’m ok with these guys being replaced.
The “replacement” these losers are panicking about is TV commercials with black people in them.
Wins Above Replacement. They’re racists, but also fans of Sabermetrics.
It kind of does, because Nazis had this Lebensraum policy. They wanted to replace as much of Europe as possible with Germans. So Nazis really are very much for replacement.
Yeah figured someone would be pedantic and point out they are for replacement of others. They just don’t see the irony
I’m ok with being replaced. Maybe the replacements will be happier than me.
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Might be better people than these nazi fucks too
I hate Tennessee Nazis
I hate Nazis.
That is a riff on a Blues Brothers line.
Wanna know what happened during the pandemic? All the anti-vaccine and anti-mask idiots came out to play. Most people stayed silent. Didn’t want to get involved. Went on their days understandably stressed, though also very aware all the wrong around them.
This is no different. We are all so socially programmed to follow norms that we don’t want to upset anyone. We don’t want to raise our voices in public. Worried we may get embarrassed. Concerned that we are somehow in the wrong. Terrified that something will be taken from us.
Yet here we are in our passiveness, consistently losing ground to actual imbeciles, racists, and malicious actors. WE allow this to happen. Stand up to them or let their word spread unopposed and allow them to do what they want. Freedom of speech works both ways. So stand up and speak out.
Fuck.
The problem is that a lot of these lunatics are armed, either openly or concealed carry. Your average person isn’t going to be willing to take a gamble with their life in order to confront these assholes, they’re just gonna try and hurry on their way. The actual people who should be confronting Nazis are cops, but unfortunately the venn diagram of police and fascist supporters is a fucking circle.
Do like grampa did and hit the nazis with a flamethrower. wont be able to effectively use their guns when they are on fire.
At that point you’re describing a civil war, which admittedly doesn’t seem that far fetched anymore.
Im down, about time they got shot
Only if the right completely drops its mask and fully, and publicly embraces the swastika. and I doubt Trump wants to stand on stage infront of a Camera and wax poetic about the “beautiful” swastika.
Gonna point out something incredibly important:
This “doubting” needs to stop. We’re well past the point where we need to assume malicious behavior, even outstanding and evil behavior. If you are determined to doubt anything, doubt that whatever lengths they are currently willing to go will stop there if they don’t get their way.
Especially the violence is always bad, violence never solves anything, just ignore bullies, avoid, do not confront, do not escalate attitude that has been being pushed for decades.
This is the result of good people not being willing to stand up for themselves in hostile, aggressive, and violent ways. Give up violence as a tool only used by the bad guys or by authorized individuals, then the bad guys will, once they have infiltrated and taken control for the organizations allowed to do violence, be able to use it with impunity everywhere.
Long ago, if you said or did things that are abhorrent to most decent people (as defined by the morals of the day at least) you’re likely to get a fist in your face. Today, although these things are abhorrent to most people, no one is willing to just punch someone for most things.
Remember when Buzz Aldrin just punched the guy accusing him of participating in the moon landing conspiracy? If 20-30% of decent people were willing to respond like that to Nazis, racists, homophobes, transphobia, and other abhorrent groups, they wouldn’t be bringing these things up in public.
But decades of this anti-violent attitude have resulted in a population who is largely decent but unwilling to act to preserve that decency.
Well, sure. We’ve decided that while Nazis are bad, standing up to them hurts their feelings and is therefore worse than the whole Nazi thing
I think all that symbolism - Nazi symbols, Confederate symbols, that stupid christofascist heaven flag, etc - should be legally ruled as implied threats of violence that are essentially always open to defend against.
TLDR see a nazi punch a Nazi should be federal policy.
I am against violence while I have no illusion about the fact that it seems necessary because bad humans need to fuck up everything for good humans.
But I want to stay that this is not a call for violence or an expression of my support for it.
But why the fuck does everyone and their grandmother have guns in the us and these people are alive? Isn’t the point of the guns to protect the public from tyranny? I mean I don’t think it works but that is the reason no? How are tyrannical forces allowed to have openly political activity? You guys don’t have guns to fight for your “freedom🦅” it seems but to shoot your child when they sneak back into the house.
In my opinion, it is good that you guys don’t murder each other but like… What is the point of those guns if not fighting literal Nazis?
Drop the gun bs or actually fight for your freedom or be honest why you want guns, it is fucked up that you want to be shot by your toddler but you do you, i guess.
Even without guns involved, there are many regions with antifascist groups which come and give them a beating (see Patriot Front getting run out of Philadelphia). Collective violent resistance intimidates them. Non-violent tactics are essential, they come first and are more important overall, but violence makes them scare to come outside. Just look at the dissolution of the British Union of Fascists after the '43 Group threw bricks at them enough times for a big example (there are many smaller examples - especially since modern neo-nazis tend to recruit scrawny teens online who can’t handle getting beaten up).
Just to add - there is a reason the right tries to demonize Antifa, because it works and they know it works.
I feel it’s important to add here that the only thing these chuds understand is strength and power, and violence is the only thing that will counteract their influence. Maybe it doesn’t require physical violence right now and other forms of strength would frighten them off - counter protests seem to work well in Germany, not to mention full-on bans of their gatherings (they don’t have a similar 1A of course…).
At some point however I fear that physical violence is the only solution with them. Unfortunately, fascism evolved to chink away at all the weak spots in the liberal democrat’s armor and use the things we love against us. They don’t care about truth, they don’t care about consistency, etc. They can’t be beat on the debate stage because they don’t care about words. All they care about is strength because they’re 99% insecure lemming cowards and we have to use it against them.
The thing about this is, these assholes abuse the same legal loopholes that the hate group west boro baptist church uses, as well as everyone who protests at pride parades, outside abortion centers, and the like. They are there to incite you to violence, and then they sue you. Because they are technically free to offend. Abusers like them use the justice system to abuse good people standing up to intolerance and hate, and it can ruin someones life, having to go through a protracted legal battle, going to prison, and facing fines. Having “assault” on your record will definitely provide you with difficulty finding employment, that’s for sure.
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The liberals who own guns are waiting for them to make everything official and obvious, for sonething that starts a civil war. They dont wanna just get jailed for murder. They do not understand the concept of illiberalism, or are too afraid to prevent it
This is the shittiest violence stroking take Ive seen since the incident. You’re either an idiot or a false actor stroking the flame. Guns aren’t here so we can indiscriminately shoot dumb fucking nazis on the street. They’re here so if those nazis show up at your door to drag you and your families out, that they can be dealt with. Knowing that people have them is a deterrent from these cucks even showing up at your house.
Oh so the path of action is, you have guns to defend your home while they try to overtake your government and society, then when they are in power and they march into the homes of the minorities, society wishes the minorities good luck with their weapons. Good to know. Foolproof. Thanks for telling me.
Also totally not missing my actual point.
Then go gear up and take on the baddies since you’ve got it all figured out.
Still missing the point. I am in favor of non violent solutions.
They’re here so if those nazis show up at your door to drag you and your families out, that they can be dealt with
If things have gotten that bad, it is already too late. By then you will be outnumbered 10 to 1 as they surround your house. It’s what the SS did, it’s what the neo nazis will do.
You’re dead if you wait that long.
Ah yes, “Replacement”. The great Jewish plot to replace white people with the one set of people that Jews really get on with: Muslims.
Let’s be honest here, these sorts of people aren’t the sharpest crayons in the box; they’re the reason why warning labels need to be created.
Let’s be more honest: if the box is the south, they’re still the sharpest.
Anybody sharper probably left for somewhere you count without using your fingers and toes.
I’m not an American, so my experience of the south is through a media lens - but surely there are some oasis of sanity amongst the sea of stupid? Austin, Texas is the first that comes to mind… am I wrong?
This is only true to an extent. You might find cities with decent people in them, but racist dullards still occupy and rule the place
Crayons are non-toxic at least.
These guys are the half eaten scented markers under the couch.
To think if we had just not done warning labels most of them would have been weeded out decades ago.
Grew up in Nashville, still have racist family there. It absolutely is like that, just look at the state’s house of representatives doing shit like expelling the only two Black members of the House last year. Maybe Nashville dreams of being a liberal bastion in a sea of red, but right now it’s barely an island.
Nashville dreams of tourists spending all their money on live music and dining that draws on the city’s rich cultural heritage so it can use that tax revenue to oppress the shit out of those cultures
I’m not sure I’ve ever really heard Nashville described as a liberal anything.
Generally they’re too busy punishing Memphis for having liberal tendencies.
I think a lot of it is techbros that came to the city with remote jobs during the pandemic suddenly being surprised that their fantasy of “Western Country” is actually heavily rooted in racism. At the very least, that’s the person I know who occasionally sends me news from the region. They keep thinking that Nashville can be a great blue city like New York or Chicago if they “just get enough people to move here”, and I always tell em to keep dreaming.
Yeah, a lot of the power and political structure is old money, I don’t see them letting racism go. Plus they just gerrymandered a Democrat congressional district out of Nashville and made camping on public grounds (aka occupy protests) a felony. If anything, it’s more red.
Same, I’m like: “Uhh, isn’t that just Nashville?”
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If no one is doing anything about it, maybe Nashville is that. The racists are really a problem that can be fixed aside from removing them all. The real problem is those people standing with their backs to that and ignoring it.
It absolutely is, when I lived there the urbanites just pretended it was only the rednecks, “you know, the ones who live in the boonies”, even while being just as racist and virulently segregationist as possible.
Oh,but they have a black friend at work, so, clearly we all misunderstood completely.
Hot take, but, I don’t like nazis
Stop being such a radical extremist, lets hear them out. I swear, it’s because of people like you that no one gets along anymore. I bet those guys share very insightful thoughts once you get to know them better. They’re just worried about, you know, all the stuff. Stop the hate. Hug a nazi.
Hug a nazi.
im sure they don’t get any hugs, they would probably cry if they did.
Yeah, it’s such a hostile enviroment that no one is willing to hear you out, much less give you a hug.
mhm. Gotta love the internet, it’s a place of all time.
That’s because some of them are cops and they have support from cops.
Looks like the US is finally getting a full view of what the world has seen for decades.
The US is most certainly a NAZI safe haven. And it is time to stop pretending that it isn’t a NAZI secret garden.
The optimal counter to people inciting hateful violence is directing violence at them.
Fascists are worshippers of power, and, furthermore, they’re cowards. A large counterdemonstration weakens them. Beating them up cripples them.
Remember that one simple trick to counter nazis: you can break their kneecaps
None of those fatties look like Aryans, in Nazi Germany they’d be made into lamp shades on day one.
“But the leopards won’t eat OUR faces!”
The leopards run on gasoline, but the crew may be cannibalistic they are on a lot of meth.
I know, you wanted to be a bit edgy and make fun about those motherfuckers. But we must never forget, that the original Nazis weren’t those perfect human beings, they propagated. Just look at Hitler that caricature of a clown.
The Nazis never believed they were the “pure” ones. They believed that their generation, and the generation they gave birth to, were already lost causes and their children’s children would be the first vanguard of their “perfect” Aryan race.
