Ok because I see a lot of stupid shit in here, you don’t get to talk about banning tiktok if you don’t talk about banning Instagram, Reddit, X and YouTube, who use the same formula, with equal fervour.
Now please talk about healthcare, climate crisis, the Palestinian ethnic cleansing by that cancerous, land grabbing, terrorist Israeli state and the shrinking buying power of the people all around the world.
Ok but fuck tik Tok. Ban that shit. This comment is basically saying that banning tik Tok takes the same effort as giving your people healthcare.
Im down with the idea of social media being a threat to citizens for so long as the algorithms optimize for anger.
On the other hand, I’m not sure I’d prefer another “opiate of the masses”.
Calling Republicans government…smh
*40 year inflation brought on because the government wanted 14 years of free money for Corporations.
Monetary policy and Corporate price gouging are the drivers for inflation. Everything else is noise.
They aren’t protecting you. They are protecting themselves from what you may give their enemies. Don’t think just because the federal government is doing something “for the people” that nominally it’s not about the government itself. National security is literally the government protecting itself by protecting its citizens.
Facebook sold personal data to a foreign organization called Cambridge Analytica who used it to influence our elections. If their motivations are to protect us via protecting themselves, why is Facebook not banned, and not even in the discussion of being banned?
For one thing, today isn’t 2015
Did occurring in 2015 happen to make it less bad somehow? We sure as hell weren’t passing laws to ban facebook back then either, so I’m not sure what point you think you’ve made.
Hindsight and foresight are identical I always say
Aren’t they the opposite? Unless you are saying we should use past experiences to protect ourselves in the future then shouldn’t we still ban Facebook? Regardless of how you feel about tiktok, Facebook was never neutered.
Foresight? We’re talking about the present and the recent past dude are you okay or do you just argue in weird slogans?
We know now what we knew in 40000 bc, obviously
We didn’t have the same stance on data privacy back then as we do today. GDPR wouldn’t be a thing for another year, not implemented for two more after that (2018). Legislators largely didn’t understand the risks associated with unrestricted exchanges of seemingly benign user data at the time. Yay for hindsight being 20/20.
That’s great. Nothing has changed about Facebook so nothing is stopping them from banning it now for the same reason as TikTok. The only reason they wouldn’t is if they had a motivation that had nothing to do with protecting elections from foreign influence.
And we should ban them too. I love this argument. We need better user data privacy laws, and this whataboutism does not change the fact that China is a hostile foreign nation.
I can appreciate that people view Google and Meta and so on as very similar in their transgressions. But as was pointed out in the original comment, this is a cost to benefit ratio type of analysis for the federal government and they gain more by keeping Meta and Google going and can enact other measures to prevent that from hurting them (usually reactionary), so to them this is fine. It is and always has been about what the US government can to do protect itself and enrich itself. Enrichment doesn’t always come in the form of monetary value.
If you’re upset at your own government (or government adjacent tech entities) gathering this type of data from users, you should be for banning them too, not keeping tik tok.
I am for severely restricting the ability for all corporations to gather and sell user data. You think I’m making a whattaboutism or whatever debate buzzword you want to conjure up; what I’m taking issue with is the argument that the reason they’re getting banned has anything to do with that data collection or “national security”. If that had any truth to it, Facebook would have gotten the same treatment, or at the very least would be in the conversation now since they do the same exact shit. If this was about data collection they would pass regulations about that instead of targeting one specific site to unilaterally ban.
I think you brought this up as a *whatabout" to something I said as a rebuttal rather than an agreement so maybe check your tone. You didn’t say anything in your comment necessarily agreeing with the original comment at any point.
Wrong. They let Cambridge collect it on their platform. Huge difference.
The rest of your post is irrelevant.
Their justification for banning Tiktok is that it allows the Chinese government to collect on their platform. It’s the same fucking thing.
Pretty much this! Also it is much easier and cheaper to tell Google to stop offering tiktok in their app store then it is to build affordable housing where it is needed…
Yea but where? There’s a push for it in my state. Drove past a new area that will be a neighborhood of cookie cutter SFH, probably with driveways too short to contain full size vehicles. And they’ll cost more than half a million so I’m not sure how that’s affordable. Anyway. It’s being built on the flood plain. 8/10 flood factor.
We really need more high density housing closer to urban centers, but Americans seem to be allergic to it. Everyone wants their single family house. Also too, without subsidies they’re is no profit incentive for developers to build the necessary housing stock, they all shoot for “luxury” housing because it’s the most profitable.
If only we made a school for teaching people how to do the things need. It could be run by the government and run as a nonprofit.
I’ve always wanted like… A townhome. But the problem is anything like that (even away from city/population centers but still near enough to commute is astronomically expensive.
Ah yes, the obvious solution: more suburban blight.
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Then you should have voted blue, idiot. This situation exists because of apathy and antigovernment sentiment.
Did Clinton ever undo all the load of crap Reagan and Bush gave us?
Clinton was 30 fucking years ago and Republicans have been stonewalling ever since then on every since one of these issues.
What the fuck are you talking about about???
Clinton signed into law a whole raft of neoliberal policies that were started by Bush, and the cumulative effects of those policies over those decades are what we’re feeling right now and what we warned about back then. The frogs have been boiled while the populace bickers about which neoliberal corporate shill sits on the puppet throne. They’re after all our money and they’re getting it by distracting us with the political circus and dividing us with wedge issues.
Clinton is one the few presidents in the last 100 years that has operated on a SURPLUS. Meaning he’s the only president to lower the national debt
H. W. actually fought against the Reaganomics himself, so while the two didn’t agree on foreign policy there wasn’t much that had to be undone between Bush and Clinton.
uhhhh, the blue that’s currently in power?
House is 220 R to 212 D
Senate is 51 D (+I) to 49 R
The last time there was a Dem Supermajority was over a decade ago and it lasted about a month.
And the Supreme Court is stacked with Republicans with lifetime appointments. That supreme court has been taking bribes and they can’t be removed without a supermajority vote.
But yes the blue currently in power that tried multiple times to cancel student loan debt, enshrine reproductive rights, protect and expand healthcare coverage, raise the minimum wage. The current blue that successfully ended several huge corporate mergers, fined companies for raising prices of goods, and has a housing plan to add 3 Million available units. Literally everything the meme cares about and more is as simple as voting correctly for your interests.
Not the case but nice try, repub
Not the case but nice try, random person from the internet
I’m not even an American. To my knowledge, democrats are currently in power. Other guys did a good job explaining the actual situation, you on the other hand…
You don’t understand the government or its current state but confidently commented on it.
Oh that’s not cool of me, when did I do that?
Holding one of three branches is not “in power.”
All spending bills have to originate in the republican controlled house. Anything the administration tries to do on it’s own has to survive a heavily politicized Supreme Court. A Supreme Court that would be radically different without the Trump presidency. We’ll be dealing with those Trump appointees for a generation and they’ll do far more harm than he ever did. Not enough people voting blue in 2016 is going to have very long lasting consequences.
Are you aware of who controlled the House, Presidency, and Senate from 2021-2023?
Hint:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/117th_United_States_Congress
Not enough people voting blue in 2016 is going to have very long lasting consequences.
Hillary’s people trying to shove her down America’s throats and propping up trump in the primary because he was the only one she had a chance to beat is going to have very long lasting consequences.
And letting those same people run Kamala’s campaign and still the DNC is still fucking shit up.
When the only metric for DNC leadership positions is how much
bribe money from billionairestotal legit donations we shouldn’t be surprised the party and chosen candidate keep favoring money over votesRather than yell at voters to accept it, maybe we should restructure the DNC so the people in charge know how to win an election against a candidate as terrible as trump?
Edit:
And for a fair comparison, trump also had 2 years with both houses than one split.
Same as Biden.
And? What does 21-23 have to do with who is “currently in power”? And how many SC justices has Biden appointed?
Maybe you should read the entire conversation, it’s not long, instead of knee-jerking to one comment.
Edit: You know how you “restructure” the DNC? You show the fuck up. The average local office would only need 5-6 people regularly showing up, every meeting, not just the last few months before a presidential election, to shift resources and voting recommendations to more progressive primary candidates.
Because most of the ones still in office right now (obviously including Biden) were also in office during the 117th Congress when Dems held both majorities?
But this doesn’t feel like it’ll be productive for some reason.
Still don’t know how that makes 21-23 “current.” Just going to double-down on refusing to read the comment chain and make it about what you want, are you?
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I’m on board with the sentiment but are we really defending TikTok? I haven’t kept up on the issue but personally I wouldn’t cry if TikTok went away.
Facefuck and Twitter are just as bad but they spy on Americans for America, so it is allowed
I mean from American government pov that’s a lot better
Exactly get rid of all of them
They won’t go away until people stop using them, and good luck with that.
I want Facebook! The one without recommendations and with posts from my friends.
Ding ding ding. Huge diff between China having that data and us companies, yes.
You’re learning!
Save your condescension for someone else
We are not defending tiktok
Didn’t you know that if you criticize one thing it means the opposite is perfect and beyond reproach!
When did they protect us from TikTok? They didn’t. Other than that it would be a great point
They’re trying to get it shut down?
Because its a threat to the military. Take all the time you need with this.
And I hope they succeed. But this has been talked about for 3-4 years now and hasn’t happened
It’s an actual case now though. They have until Jan 19 to sell US data to a US broker or else Apple and Google have 6 months from that date to remove it from the App Store.
Ah okay. Thanks
Mostly agreed, but is anyone really getting minimum wage? Walmart pays double that to start in my little town.
Idaho has federal minimum and iirc laws preventing county or city minimums to be higher than the state minimum. Lots of service and farmhand jobs there are at minimum wage. One of the places I used to work was saught after in the town because they pay higher than minimum. I made $7.50/hr
Farm jobs will never be $15/hr in Your lifetime
Go to places like KY, IN, TN, WV. Probably LA, and MS. They regularly start people @ minimum wage, and the rents are about 2/3 what I would pay in San Diego.
If min was 15 wal mart would pay 30, son.
How can Steve ban tiktok if Doug won’t let him mitigate homelessness? Why is Bob talking about housing when Alex is gung-ho on genocide?
Sorry, I meant to ask: how can the government ban tiktok when the government won’t do anything about homelessness? How can the government be proud of mitigating homelessness when the government supports genocide?
Citizens United must be a curse from a Greek god. A funny little jab to highlight our tendency to oversimplify.
“a genocide” LOL…this palestine propaganda is really getting out og hand. it is one of the many current genocides. russians wiping out cultures and nations, china on tibet or the uigurs, shit syria on aramaics and assyrians, fucking turkey on kurds and armenians. but yeah…it is “one” genocide now. kids are fucking stupid.
You had me in the first part, NGL.
How dare you assume I was talking about Palestine, I was talking about the Uyghurs in China.
“GAAAHHH! I CAN’T STICK A VACUUM CLEANER UP MY WOMB! I’M GOING TO DIE!!!”
What the fuck?
I think they are trying to be funny, but just coming across as an insensitive fuck gnat.
My thoughts exactly
Cuz you already have 4 kids and can barely feed them, yes this but unironically and much less of an asshole.
Watch? That would imply looking at the situation, so no I don’t think that’s quite the right word…
For one side it’s more like “stand back and stand by”, if you catch my drift, while for the other it’s somewhat like claiming every four years to always have a ready supply of hot sauce stored in one’s purse. (you see, a “purse” is a bag that we poors, specifically women, use to carry things - basically it’s a nonmoving car where your butler puts all the “things” that you need for the entire day, except you are your own butler, and the purse doesn’t drive to anywhere, and it gets heavy!)
