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Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich welcomed President-elect Donald Trump’s electoral victory Monday, saying that “the time has come” to extend full Israeli sovereignty over the occupied West Bank.
He made the comment a day after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a recorded statement that he has spoken three times with Trump since the election and that they “see eye to eye on the Iranian threat.
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“Parts” doing so much lifting here it broke like Trump’s legs going down a tiny ramp.
Lol Hope all these people didnt vote for Harris based on Gaza really regret their decision now. They were warned
There is quite literally zero evidence that Biden or Harris - who served wine from a West Bank settlement at the fucking White House - would have punished Israel in any real way for annexations.
Read the headline again and use your brain this time.
OK dude, sure.
Please show me where Biden once stopped settlements. They massively expanded under his term. Netanyahu announced settlements in front of him (widely seen as an insult since it contradicted what he had just said to the press) and he did nothing. Obama actually tried to pressure Netanyahu and Biden is the one who undermined him on it during his administration.
Why are you blaming the victims? Biden was told for over a year that this was a problem for his voters (in addition for the prior 3 years of his term). The primary results showed him this with anll the uncommitted votes and he stubbornly refused to change his message or policy once. At what point can you finally accept he deserves blame?
I like how everybody is mad at pro Palestinian voters.
Another reminder Joe Biden is still president and Kamala Harris is vice president
I am a pro-Palestine voter.
I voted for Harris because I’m not a fucking idiot.
I like how not voting against an obvious fascist is pro Palestine.
Another reminder that fascists embolden fascists. Putin is one. Netanyahu is one. Trump is one. Vance is one. Musk is one.
Thank you, I hope someone will tell Joe and Kamala.
Frankly if they’re doing anything with their remaining days, I hope they’re shoring up America’s defenses. I cared about Palestine enough to vote for the candidate Netanyahu didn’t want in office, but now that y’all elected him, I care more about anything that can be done to help my country before he’s in to rape it.
Hey, don’t look at me, I live in a country where democracy is not some sort of soccer game with just 2 teams (that also sort of play on the same half). Every vote counts, didn’t stop a large majority of people voting far right, and as we all know, far right only cares about themselves.
In that case, you don’t really need to be weighing in on what “Joe and Kamala” should be doing with their remaining time in office, huh?
I guess that’s fair
Palestinians Saved ❎
Climate Action Taken ❎
Women’s reproductive freedom secured ❎
Sensible immigration reform ❎
Sense of smugness achieved ✅
Are you describing Joe Biden’s victory in 2020?
OHHHH GOOD ONE DUDE
It is kinda the campaign’s job to make it easier for people to vote for someone. Harris’s campaign didn’t really make it easier for anyone. On the contrary, it alienated so many people on so many grounds. But keep blaming the voters, it will work in four years for sure.
wahhh they didn’t make it easy for me.
Wahhhh my team lost
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Dear everyone who refused to vote: I hope you’re happy! Really helping out the Israel-Palestine situation right now. You did this. Look at your crime against humanity and despair.
Dear Harris: You could have singlehandedly prevented this.
I’m playing both sides, so that I always come out on top.
Sunny has taught me that everything works out if you’re a main character.
You must be one of the good americans then, bravo!
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Russia isn’t paying for this shit anymore, so you must be doing it for free. Don’t you have anything better to do?
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You should take some advice from your username. I’m literally replying to a post about Donald Trump. If you don’t want US election politics, you shouldn’t be reading this thread.
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What a shocker! Who could have predicted this?
Holy shit!
Hang on. I can’t find my Pikachu shocked face. I must have left it at the other article where the Republicans said they lied about Project 2025.
We should start making bets about this
So all you “But Gaza!” people…how’d that work out for you?
Yell louder about how you don’t think Palestinians deserve to exist
This may just be an observation from across the pond, but it feels like the But Gaza people were nothing but a troll farm and y’all got played.
Man, this whole situation is all kinds of fucked.
It’s mostly true. Someone was tracking those accounts and nearly all of them stopped posting entirely immediately after the election. Either very dedicated, or astroturfing.
The “people” bringing it up nonstop on social media might have been state actors or trolls but there were plenty of real people who followed the movement. They’re still “But Gaza!” people regardless of how the idea that they should abstain from voting got into their head.
I voted Harris, but I was pretty fucking disgusted with Kamala’s refusal to change course on this.
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Some of us called these people on their shit. They’re all gone now, so at least we have that.
Naah. Some of them are still around blaming Harris and democrats for tanking the election.
It’d be funny if it weren’t so… not funny.
The agitators are gone. The useful idiots remain.
The Harris campaign made the decision to not break from Biden on Israel, at the cost of a +6 points gain. That’s the fault of the campaign’s calculations to ignore those voters, take them for granted, and instead run to the right with Liz Cheney and having the most lethal Military.
I voted for Harris and told others to do the same. It’s still on the campaign. Blaming voters is just sowing division when we need unity and solidarity to fight against Fascism.
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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.
- Split Ticket (July 2024)
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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.
- New Poll Suggests Gaza Ceasefire and Arms Embargo Would Help Dems with Swing State Voters (Full YouGov Report) (May 2024)
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- Data For Progress Poll (May 2024)
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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.
Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.
You’re right that they really messed up here
Thank you! All these people out here trying to start shit with people protesting a genocide when the Dems just had to take the easiest moral high ground known to man, opposing a genocide. And despite all numbers telling them “this will win you the election” they decided nah, cause we’d rather the Republicans win than even imagine opposing Israel.
Why are you so quick to attack the people openly protesting a genocide instead of the party that lost the election because they refused to openly protest a genocide?
Because the people openly protesting a genocide opted for the man who promised to genocide harder.. But hey, keep playing yourselves. Let me know how that works out for you.
So, the Democrats who you fully believe would continue genociding palastinians have no blame, and the people who couldn’t morally vote for a slower genocide are to blame. That’s an interesting outlook. It gives 0 agency to the Dems. 0 blame to the party who got handed a piece of paper that said “don’t support genocide or lose the election” and tried to subvert that warning by going for Republican votes.
Silly silly silly.
and the people who couldn’t morally vote for a slower genocide are to blame.
Trump campaigned on speedrunning the genocide, not slowing it down. It’s not like his intentions weren’t clear.
The last time Trump got involved in the middle east, he pissed off a whole bunch of people by moving the embassy to Jerusalem, and the only thing his son in law managed to accomplish was getting $2 billion from the Saudis which the family still won’t explain. But this is the guy you essentially endorsed by either voting for Trump or staying home? That’s like stopping yourself from shooting yourself in the foot by pointing the gun at your head instead.
Yes, Trump is terrible and obviously worse to anyone to can rationally look at the options. That doesn’t change that the Harris campaign chose to ignore the issue, chose to take those voters for granted, and failed to secure a win.
If the Harris campaign cared about Palestinian lives, or that aside, even just cared about winning the election, then why would they not change position to Conditional Aid on Israel and gain all those undecided voters? That issue alone would have secured the swing states to Harris.
Those voters were entirely up for grabs and all it would’ve taken was a single policy change and some humanity for the victims of an ongoing genocide. If the concern was AIPAC influencing the election through campaign ads, then pivoting just before voting began would’ve been the right move. If the campaign was trying to win without those voters, ignoring the grassroots momentum, then we can clearly see that was a failed strategy.
Ok, so answer this for me:
How does either actively voting for Trump, or abstaining from voting knowing it’s a de-facto vote for Trump, help to improve that situation in any way at all?
In fact, how does allowing Trump to return to power not make the situation actively worse?
And do you still feel that it was the right choice now, knowing that Israel announced that they plan to annex the west bank with Trump’s blessing?
It doesn’t? Why do you think that’s my view when I’ve already explicitly said I voted for Harris and told others to voter for her too. I’ve already said Trump is actively worse in all aspects.
Understanding the faults of the campaign in failing to motivate tens of millions of voters doesn’t change any of that. It is still ultimately the responsibility of the campaign to galvanize voters. Understanding why they failed to do that is what I’m doing
Good work Pro-Palestinian voters, you screwed your own people.
By the way, the US military will most likely gear up for a war against Iran. Yep, orders from Riyadh and Tel Aviv for another 20 year shit hitting the fan adventure doomed to fail.
The election wasn’t decided by voters who cared about Palestine, I don’t think.
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No it was decided by Starlink.
Go back to your flat earth alek
That seems a little uncalled for. Just because the repugnicans gaslit is for the last four years about 2020 doesn’t mean you get to lump anyone with suspicions in with them. They got to take their evidence to court. If the results are legitimate no one has anything to lose.
now can you tell me why electronic voting machines in swing states need to be connected to Starlink? The company notoriously owned by the man who bragged about how easy it would be to hack those same machines with “one line of code.” The man who said he’d be going to jail if Trump didn’t win. The man who has just been caught faking his million dollar Republicans voter registration ‘lottery.’ Or what Trump meant the various times he claimed he didn’t need votes to win, or when he said he had an election day secret weapon? or why Elon knew the results four hours in advance? Or why MTG said on Fox two days ago the exact number of electoral votes Trump would have today?
There’s a whole lot of oddities and inconsistencies. Denying them because you don’t want to look like a conspiracy nut isn’t helpful.
now can you tell me why electronic voting machines in swing states need to be connected to Starlink?
Are they though?
I read an article at some point in the last few days that said some were, for what it’s worth. I’ll try to look for it again.
I’d be interested in seeing that, yeah
Yes because I said so. Now gear up we have a capitol to storm.
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How about good work democrats for not actively opposing the genocide? Like, why are you so quick to blame anyone but the shot callers, playmakers and plan writers? Genuinely.
Is turbo-genocide somehow better than regular old genocide?
No genocide is better. Turns out democrats supported genocide for nothing. There goes the narrative.
Democrats should be allowed to do a genocide
Nobody should be genociding, that’s pretty obvious.
But would you prefer a little genocide or a big genocide?
I mean you personally, which one would you prefer?
The Democrats in power killed your family. You ask them to stop, and they look away. How do you wait in line to vote for them? It’s not about they voted for Trump instead. It’s about offering people whose vote you want, a reason to give it to you. Sorry your family died but we aren’t stopping isn’t that
putting aside the absolute disgust on being ok with “proper genocide” by harris, turbo genocide is always better. would you prefer a slow painful death from hunger & disease or blown instantly to pieces ?
people in gaza are starving and their medicine aid from UN was on purpose bombed by israel under biden during election time. even after that harris said her policy will remain the same.
and given the history of flipflopper harris i have absolutely zero doubt that she would have happily let israel burn everyone alive in gaza, westham and palastine for few more millions donations to her re-election campaign from aipac. she would have used her getting the presidency as lesser evil to brag america voted for her policy of genocide.
Ah okay so a turbo genocide gets your support because it is the more ethical genocide?
You’re in luck, January 21st is coming for Palestine and you’ll get your wish 👌
Cut a liberal and a fascist bleeds
did i say it gets my support ? my support will be to put both gop and most of dnc in solitary jail for life time for treason and war crimes. make them look at all the dead kids and homeless for rest of their life.
but hey instead i have to be content with “normal genocide” for a year only to have it upgraded thnx to dnc caring more about superpacs than voters.
You know the West Bank isn’t Gaza, right? And that it’s much, much larger, no? You’re seriously now arguing that more and faster genocide is better? You sick duck.
palestine in 1948 was larger but that didn’t stop anything https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre even today hundreds of palestinian in wb have their home taken away by settlers at gun point, sometimes just grenades are thrown into the homes with children.
You’re seriously now arguing that more and faster genocide is better? You sick duck.
am i wrong? and what else i am supposed to do ? we call ourselves a democracy but in elections we don’t even get an option of not having a genocide even when 70% americans are against it and 90% democrats. the irony that our “democratic” party can just tell its entire voter base to stfu on such issues.
You’re seriously now arguing that more and faster genocide is better?
am i wrong?
Yes.
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I think my comment has been misinterpreted. Op said “good job” sarcastically. I too am using “good job” sarcastically. The Dems are the shot callers and play makers I am talking about. The ones deserving of blame due to their utter inability to denounce a genocide and instead promising to continue arming it.
we’re about to see something really shocking and ugly aren’t we. more so than usual I mean
No, I’ve been told a Trump victory couldn’t make anything worse for Palestine. This should just be status quo stuff here.
Indeed, because “Genocide Joe” and so on, argle bargle. The voters that sat out because of this, or worse, outright voted for donvict will have a lot to answer for. I mean, if they actually give a shit about Palestinians and didn’t really just want to be Above It All ™.
I like argle bargle. I shall use it
I mean it is the status quo. Israel’s current move will only make the “facts on the ground” official.
Yup.
Take your bow protest voters… we fucking told you this would happen.
This is ALL on you.
But… We warned the Genocide Joe crowd Trump would be worse? And actively tried to convince them not to to let it happen?
Like, we said the stove was hot a bunch of times and they just had to touch it. I’m gonna call those people stupid now.
To be clear, I don’t think this group of people was big enough to sway the election.
the last 80 years has been the slow elimination and annexation of palestine
it really doesn’t matter which pro-Israeli US presidential candidate serves for the next 4
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And those protest votes told the campaign this would happen and they didn’t alter course. At what point is it the fault of the playmakers?
Protest votes knew the score. Slow genocide with Kamala, fast genocide with trump. And they put it on the line to say “either no genocide or you lose” and the Dems couldn’t say that.
Think about that. The Democrats were very clearly told via the uncommitted movement that “if you support genocide, you will lose” and the Dems could not, under literal threat of death, say they won’t support a genocide in Israel.
Like, I voted Kamala as a hopeful lesser of two evils vote. But seeing people like you come out here and throw the genocide of palastinians in the face of those who care the most about it because your party didn’t do what it knew it had to do is fucking disgusting.
Actually abhorrent. Hold the leadership accountable. Hold Kamala accountable. They ran the god damn election. They wrote the god damn plan, and never in my life have I seen an electorate communicate it’s demands so clearly and directly. They were ignored, so they ignored the Dems.
Wheres your fucking spine? Why is it so hard for you to criticize your own party, concrete people with positions in this shit making decisions rather than the vague “protest voter”
Because we voted to stop trump. That’s how it works, and that is what they failed to understand in the months leading up to the election:
Our votes were cast to stand in his way. Their decision to do nothing, let him walk right past us all.
This is on the protest voters/third party voters and there is no other way to see it.
If Kamala converted every single third party voter she still would have lost. Blame people for voting for Trump.
Now add in the non-voters. Because I blame them too.
Throughout my life, people like you have said the exact same words to third party voters.
Through these decades, democrats did very little to replace First Past the Post voting in states they control. Considering how they admit every election they understand the flaws of the voting system, yet do nothing to fix the issues they have pointed out time and again, democrats own this loss.
This is of course ignoring the number of 3rd party voters would not have changed this outcome. But facts don’t matter, you want to corral the left towards your blue conservative party.
Democrats preferred trump winning over having to compete for your vote.
Party over country. Pride and arrogance beyond measure. Democrats have proven that they do not deserve to go it alone against the republicans.
What excuse do you have to deny ourselves multiple attempts at stopping the Republicans? To deny your country men/women/others full representation in the political process?
If you really were concerned with 3rd party voters, you would be tirelessly working to replace FPTP voting in your state. As such, I invite you to my asklemmy post to discuss your new commitment to passing electoral reform in your state. Looking forward to it.
If you didn’t vote in protest over this, you caused it. End of the line.
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Cool story.
So you know, both the LGBTQ and women’s rights are going to take a HUGE hit now as a result of their smug little protest votes. Oh… and Palestine is either going to be occupied, or become a crater. Same with Ukraine- so… victory! Right? We certainly learned our lesson at the expense of a shit ton of innocent lives…
But as long as they can feel morally superior, right?
I’m not arguing this any further.
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I’m not arguing this any further.
Cool. I still had more to say. You are free to not respond.
Honey, why is there a leopard at the door?
ITT: “How could third party voters do this? I have learned nothing.”
AMA request: Anyone who voted for Jill Stein or Trump because Kamala wasn’t hard enough on Israel.
In theory it was mostly people not voting for Harris (or anyone). In most cases here, anyway. Supposedly.
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Well that would be one way of ending the war on day one.
