*edited post title to make it clear that this is a joke
c/assholedesign
Yeah that’s when I’m hitting cancel.
Usually it isn’t the store pushing this, but Square itself. They take a percentage of each transaction so they naturally want to make the charges as high as possible.
Fake news. This can all be configured in square.
Oh thanks for clarifying this. I thought Square as in “don’t be a square” and POS for well, “piece of shit”.
I’m so used to telling homeless folks I have no money that I’m pretty sure I can look the barista or whoever straight in the eye and say “No tip.”
Actually kind of fucked society pushes us to that point, huh?
I really almost never have cash on me anymore so my soul is unburdened. I sometimes do charitable acts but it rarely involves giving money to people on street corners. That’s just a 9 to 5 for a bunch of them.
POS systems including tip requests really piss me off. We recently discovered a great local restaurant and we order food from them (and pick it up, to take home) a few times a month. They have one of those POS systems and it really irritates me to have to tap ‘No Tip’ in plain view of the cashier every time. We’re picking up food; I’m walking up to a counter, collecting a bag, swiping a credit card and leaving. Why the fuck would I tip for that? I don’t tip at the grocery store and cashiers there do the same amount of work.
As a bartender, if someone is picking up a to go order it’s expected that they won’t tip.
Most places mark Togo orders such that the staff aren’t tipping out on them (for obvious reasons) so it shouldn’t make a difference to the worker that they didn’t get a tip on it.
I don’t tip at the grocery store and cashiers there do the same amount of work.
You will soon!
Why the fuck would I tip for that?
Because many restaurants split tips with the back end, and, well, somebody made the food.
Sure, and theoretically that’s covered by the price that was listed on the menu. If it’s not, it’s the restaurant’s problem, not mine. Fuck that noise, seriously.
it’s the restaurant’s problem, not mine
But you’re supporting the restaurant. You’re keeping the system afloat.
I’m supporting the restaurant by eating there, and paying menu prices for food. If they need me to pay more, they can raise their menu prices. I’m not going to guess how much things actually cost.
spot on. I’ve had enough of tipping. I have gone out to eat and anywhere i get service so much less this past year, but it has been worth it. I’ve saved money and sparked interesting conversations with people in my circle when I bring tipping up. this is a weird hill for me to die on, but I do not care anymore.
how about a discount from the restaurant because I was polite to my servers and was not a disruptive customer? no, because that doesnt make any sense lol
tipping has creeped its way into everything and has turned us against each other for a batshit insane concept that should have never been normalized.
if they want more money, charge more money. this guilt trip at the end of the bil they force upon me at the end of my meal is just so insane. they’re just asking me to give them more money for no reason, full stop.
Tips keep the system afloat. The reason there aren’t mass strikes demanding an end to tips is because the system works for most.
Sure, racial minorities are significantly discriminated against and many will receive hardly minimum wage with tips but the majority of tipped workers is fine with it. And that’s all that is required for an unjust system to persist.
Tipped workers are fine with it because they make more money with tips than they would on hourly wages. This is directly the fault of people feeling the need to tip egregious amounts. If people stopped tipping, or started tipping significantly worse, tipped workers would stop being okay with it really fast, and would demand an end to the system.
If I go sit down in a restaurant and get table service, I tip, but I do that once a year, maybe. If I get delivery, I tip the driver. But I will absolutely not tip if I go into a restaurant, pick up food at the counter, and walk out. Never.
I’m confused why you draw the line there but not in the first two examples. In all your examples, those people are doing their jobs that they should be getting paid adequately for already.
Restaurants need to pay their staff a living wage instead of expecting patrons to subsidize the owners’ greed.
It’s also a matter of trust … we’re handing off money to a restaurant that will pass on the amount to the employee or employees … who decides who gets it? do they share it? do just the waiters get it? does the owner get a cut? do the kitchen staff get some? is it shared equally? Do they add up everything at the end of the day? end of the week? end of a shift?
Some places are good and fair with distributing tips but some places aren’t and no one ever gets to know what any one does with the funds.
This happens a lot, often tips are stolen from immigrant workers by the restaurant. I was at an Indian place and the guy I was with knew our server. I already had my suspicions about the place so I just asked the guy if he gets his tips. He says the owner takes all tips.
He ended up standing with his back to me so I could put $10 in his hand. Fucking absurd.
By the logic, i should pay tip for every item i buy, it is produced by somebody in a factory somewhere.
Or you should stop visiting restaurants that ask for tips entirely.
It’s not like the waiter is doing the majority of the work for your meal when you sit down.
Ah yes the solution to tips is boycotting my favorite restaurants, that will show them that I don’t want to tip!
“You have my favorite food and great service, but I would rather you just raise your prices and pay your staff more.”
Yep that’s what they would see from my boycott
The waitresses and waiters and everyone can’t survive without tips, so let’s just give them no business and no tips!
It’s the idea of the Applebee’s 10 dollar meal that’s actually 12 dollars. What business wouldn’t want to give their employees top dollar and have to advertise higher prices? It’s a win-win for the business. They aren’t going to change until forced or highly encouraged.
Getting rid of “Tip wages” would be the solution
No one should be required to rely on tips as income
It should be known no one is required to rely on tips as income
Then we can all stop with the tips
I’ve only ever found one restaurant that does not take tips.
I worked at many restaurants when I was in college and only one of those many split tips. It’s far from a universal rule.
Where do you imagine the rest of the money from the receipt goes?
To the owners. Do… do you not know how private businesses operate?
That’s it, you sure got me, I don’t know how businesses operate. Do you?
The costs of goods and overhead like employee wages should be included in the price. Raise your prices to what they apparently should be instead of begging your clientele to help give your employees a living wage out of the goodness of our hearts. Such a system only punishes the considerate by milking them of their cash (likely more than they wouldnif your prices were corrected) and rewards the assholes by artificially deflating their prices.
POS: “Please tell the cashier.”
Me to the cashier: “This place needs to pay you a living wage. Let me know if you and your coworkers need help setting up a union.”
POS: “not like that”
The punchline is that the cashier doesn’t get any of the tips; they’re pure profit for the business.
“Hi customer, would you like to give us bonus money for no reason other than your accommodating nature?”
Yeah. Only ever tip in cash and in person. The suave 20-in-the-handshake looks cool but it’s risky.
How is it risky? Once I bribed two people within five minutes in Chicago to get on a flight I was late for. What did I risk?
Yeah, maybe let’s not give the corpos any more ideas
Tipping culture is weird and I only ever hear people mention it in the context of hating it. Yet they seem to have the mindset that there are no other options.
Have you talked to a lot of servers about it? I have a few friends who are servers who hate the idea of cutting out tips and just making minimum wage because they would make significantly less money.
Tips were first used as a way for rail lines to avoid having to pay black coach attendants a wage.
It isn’t surprising that service workers don’t want to abolish tips, since that’s primarily how they get paid now - but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t abolish them. The owners should have to pay their workers a living wage. By making that the consumer’s responsibility, it frees the business owner from the responsibility of paying their workers for their labor.
Tip wages are exploitative, plain and simple.
That’s the tipping I like. When I’m getting served. I want to sit at my table and enjoy the whole experience. I want my water refilled, I was to be asked if I want another drink. I want the courses the flow on and off the table. I want to be able to talk about the dishes. Then I want to tip based on how well it all went.
Obligate tipping for counter service is bullshit.
For maybe a month or two, but when the restraints are no longer to hold on to good staff at minimum wage, employers will have to start offering more to get people to work for them.
Yeah – The goal is not to keep servers, etc. working at minimum wage, it’s to eliminate tips in favor of employers paying a livable wage.
I’d rather the menu prices reflect the actual cost of the item, including the service workers’ wages, than have to tack on another n% at the end. And, at least back in the before-times for the like, month, I worked as a server, I would’ve loved to go to work and not worry about “Oh shit, it’s the Sunday church crowd” and resign myself to not making any money that shift.
I like your optimism.
As a server, tips for me were huge.
But that’s for a role that’s a bit more involved than fillings gas or pouring coffee. The waiter’s our agent at the restaurant, fighting with (armed!) kitchen staff always on the verge of a breakdown, rejecting shit product and passing along tips for good stuff, etc.
I’m tipping drivers if the toppings aren’t slid to one side. I’m tipping my cabbie. I’m tipping my barber as he does a lot with very little.
But I’m not tipping people where there’s little interaction or judgement for me specifically. My bus driver, the flight attendant, the pilot, the gate agent, the carny operator, the pet food guy, my grocer, my pharmacist. No weasel no grease.
And if it’s forced it’ll be the last. That’s it. I’m still boycotting restaurants because they couldn’t abide by the regional health officers instructions on masking. I can do this.
Having said that, minimum wage is the minimum. Enough of this bullshit where tipped staff makes less base pay.
A buck. And never return. Fuck that.
OP, just saying “(not real, fyi)” in the text part of the post seems a bit misleading.
Sorry, I’ve posted lots of this guy’s stuff here and I assumed most are familiar with him, but I just had the afterthought to add that text to the post body since this one seems sort of plausible.
I’ll tweak the title to be more clear.
Bruh. Not EVERY interaction with a cash register or payment portal is meant to include a tip. The bill is for the goods or service for which I am doing business with you company, i.e. the only reason you are getting my money in the first place. The tip is for the individual that performed a service to me beyond simply providing the previously mentioned good or service. And ideally it is for service beyond the bare minimum (but due to shitty minimum wage laws for roles that expect tips making them dependent on them, there still exists an expectation to tip even for mid or bad service). I will happily tip a server, bartender, barista, barber (there are a weird number of service jobs that start with ‘bar’…), or someone that is interacting with customers, providing an experience of service, and will adapt to my shitty needs and requests as a customer, particularly if they are dependent on tips as a portion of their wage. But I am not tipping a cook for making my food in a restaurant. I am not tipping my mechanic for doing an oil change. I am not tipping a cashier for taking my money. I am not tipping MY FUCKING LANDLORD! You are already charging me for the things you are doing. I am not going to voluntarily inflate the price you are charging me for no damn reason. Fuck, sometimes it isn’t even clear who would be getting the tip. I’m surprised they don’t already ask for tips at the grocery store self-checkout. This shit is dumb.
POS company “TLDR. LOL. Plz tip!”
I’ve definitely noticed that my favorite takeout place’s POS makes giving no tip as hard as possible (Other->No Tip->Yes). “Fortunately” that is also a place where the owner is a prick and doesn’t share tips with the staff so they encourage you to leave no tip.
And the really funny thing? If it wasn’t about the same number of presses to leave a custom tip, I would generally round up at most POSes. Which isn’t a lot, but it does tend to cover credit card fees on the average and makes card statements easier to skim. Of course, I have also noticed a rise in “Regular” and “Cash” pricing where those fees are explicitly passed on to the customers to begin with so…
I’ll tip quite generously for a sit down meal or something like a haircut. For calling me up to the counter when my takeout is ready? Fuck off.
I’d report the owner to the DoL. I’m fairly certain they’re breaking the law
- There is a lot of wiggle room about how POS based tipping is treated from a legal perspective
- The food service industry, much like repair/contracting, is notorious for being largely unenforceable for fines like this
- Let’s just say that I like the crew that does the actual work there and I am pretty sure none of them are in this country legally…
Breaking the law does not mean that the business will get punished. And if it does, it’s a fine.
When the punishment is a fine, it means that it’s a law against poor people.
I see you’ve never witnessed the DoL fuck a small business to death over stuff like this. The owner would be required to pay back, at minimum, the x amount he stole from the employees. Often it’s several times as much, which could easily bankrupt them.
The real issue is that employees don’t usually know what the boss is doing is illegal.
In rare (usually politically charged) cases? Sure
Mostly what happens is the owner pays back a fraction (if that) before telling the former employees to fuck off. Said former employees then need to decide if it is worth finding a lawyer to pursue this. And the margins for small businesses are often small enough that it is pretty easy to shuffle off any assets and then declare bankruptcy before doing it all over again later.
Everyone loves the news story where an asshole has been ordered to pay a massive fine. Very few people pay attention to what happens after the local DA takes a campaign photo.
owner is a prick and doesn’t share tips with the staff
This is fraud and should be illegal. Even though it’s not illegal, the staff can sue him and will win.
I just love how on the Uber eats app. they have a “set your own tip amount” button that doesn’t work…
If I saw this I’m taking a picture, turning around, and filing a chargeback with my bank before I make it to the car
ESPECIALLY if it’s for food, hope it hits your bottom line, assholes
Why don’t you just put the $1 in the bill if it is mandatory?
