Summary
President Joe Biden highlighted his administration’s economic record, citing consistent job growth and a 2.7% inflation rate drop from its 2022 peak.
December’s jobs report showed 256,000 new jobs and declining unemployment, signaling steady economic growth.
However, inflation remains above the Federal Reserve’s 2% target, and interest rates remain high, impacting homebuyers and businesses.
Public pessimism lingers on affordability as Biden passes a largely strong economy to his successor, Donald Trump.
That’s what happens when the economic wellbeing of a country is based upon numbers on computers instead of the actual wellbeing of its population. Fuck neoliberalism.
I dont see how we can’t actually quantify economic wellbeing, but I dont know of a unit for this.
Like we need something that takes into account wealth disparity. If your GDP goes up 5,000% and all that wealth goes into the pocket of a few people, the unit that measures economic welfare should be very low.
You can adjust GDP by Gini coefficient which measures income inequality. Eg. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_income
I looked at the article, but I have no idea what “0.689” means.
What’s the unit abbreviation?
What does a high number mean? What does a low number mean?
Im not sure about the calculations for that specific value but the Gini coefficient itself is an index between 0 and 1 where 0 is no inequality and 1 is maximum inequality.
The index in the link I provided is also between 0 and 1 where the value for one country is only comparable to that of other countries. The higher the number the better but again not sure what the exact components are as it was just an example of quanitifying inequality.
Yeah, thats not an alternative to GDP then.
Like, if everyone in the country earns $1 per day and the cost of living is $2 per day, the gini is good but the economy is still shit
We need some unit that actually measures if an economy is doing well
I imagine this measurement is probably adjusted for PPP (purchase power parity). Going from comparing the GDP per capita to a PPP and Gini adjusted GDP per capita (like what that index likely does) should be what you’re getting at. Otherwise, there’s HDI (human development index) also mentioned in the wiki that goes beyond monetary value.
What happened to the Misery Index?
GINI, GDP and PPP combined can get you at least a rough estimate.
Yeah. But we need one number to throw on a chart, make a ranking of all countries, and get the news and history books to say (instead of GDP)
Is that a quantitative value for measuring the whole.economy’s success, or does it only measure income inequality?
Record Homelessness…
You mean future prison laborers? Go America!
The economy should only be judged by the bottom 1% not the top.
That’s an interesting idea, but bottom 1% of what?
GDP usually looks at companies exports, not individuals. So you’re saying we should only calculate the GDP from the poorest 1% of companies? That seems like it would be wildly off.
I bet there are way smarter people should figure out how such an economy would work. (Humans have had a top down approach economically since forever.) but it’s obvious our relationship with top down approaches has changed. We need to come together and save humanity, because at this rate it’s obvious our ways of thinking are destroying ourselves and the world.
Average savings rate, average credit card debt, number of homeowners, college enrollment rates, average net worth. Lots of measures that the news and politicians ignore.
Averages wouldn’t work. We need some unit that returns a low number if most of the wealth is in a small number of people’s pockets.
Consider a world where one country has 99% of the world’s wealth, and 99% of that wealth inside that country is held by 1 person, with everyone else literally struggling to feed themselves.
An average net worth for the country would show the country as having a very good economy. But, in fact, the economy is terrible. Because it benefits only one person. That’s a failed economy.
That number would be the median, which is a form of average.
Some of the measures you cite are irrelevant to quality of life. For example, there’s only a weak correlation between rates of home ownership and overall quality-of-life metrics. For example, Switzerland scores high on quality of life measures but has quite a low home-ownership rate. The converse also applies. And savings rate can be driven by fear of post-requirement income insecurity, and average credit card debt matters less than the cost of borrowing (if your card providers only charge 2% a year, that’s a different picture than if they charge 25%).
Though your general observation still holds: the media (and politicians) focus on a small number of metrics that aren’t relevant to most people’s lives. You just have to be selective about what additional metrics you want to add to the mix.
There are a number of general-welfare measures. Median inflation-adjusted income is a good one, then you can break that into deciles if you want more detail. The GINI coefficient gives a measure of income and/or wealth inequality within a society. Or if you want more effects-based metrics, there are all kinds of quality-of-life and satisfaction indices, with different relative weights for different contributing factors.
I suppose I’m happy for the economy. I mean, I’m glad it’s doing better than ever, I guess, but I’ve got my own issues. Sorry if that sounds selfish, but it’s just hard for me to get too excited for the economy when I’m stressed about my own situation.
They made a typo they meant the stock market not the economy.
No no no, they added jobs*
*Uber drivers
Illegal taxi service! Why didn’t I thnk of that!
That’ll surely cancel out the impending fascism.
Don’t you know, fascism is actually great and they’ve been lying to us for years because they don’t want us to have it. Thankfully trump, the biggest fascist ever, is going to fix that for us.
That’s because the economy is wholly disconnected from the real lives of working Americans. Aside from 401k, job gains could just be shifting around of people from job to job. If you are in the job market, it still feels grim. The cost of groceries, energy, housing, healthcare, schooling still remain high. And that’s what Americans really experience. A reduction in inflation doesn’t mean prices went down, it just means the increases slowed down by 2.7%. And the fact that democrats are completely incapable or unwilling to have this conversation, is why democrats continue to lose enthusiasm every time there’s an incumbent democrat election. Obama was an exception because of how skilled a politician he was and how weak the Republican opposition was at the time.
“What has the economy done for me lately?”
Hard to think of much lately other than give me false hope about my retirement options.
That’s weird. I could have bought a house in 2014 but I can’t afford it now despite making way more money.
The economy is stronger than ever for Americans that politicians care about.
Stronger for whom, exactly?
When the media or politicians report on ‘the economy’ they mean wealthy people’s money in investment capital and financial instrument earnings, not wages or savings for the working class.
yeah biden’s really asking for a lot of credit right now for just being an ordinary republican president. we needed to hold the insurrectionists accountable, first and foremost, and he didn’t
I thought the president didn’t have the power to do that. What could he do differently?
Fire Merrick Garland and appoint someone with teeth to go after the fucking ringleader?
Merrick Garland has been working to build a case against Trump. Trump delayed the cases. How can Merrick Garland’s replacement stop Trump from delaying cases?
Merrick Garland deferred to decorum at every turn. Knowing full well decorum is not an option in organized crime.
Just because a suspect twisted a political career into his organized crime does not mean it shouldn’t still be treated like organized crime regardless of the political optics.
What’s an example of Garland deferring to decorum?
Knowing full well decorum is not an option in organized crime.
It sounds like you’re saying Garland should’ve “gone rogue” or broken the law to take down Trump.
The same judicial system that gives Merrick Garland any authority has been corrupted with GOP picks that will rule in favor of Trump.
What’s an example of Garland deferring to decorum?
Not immediately starting the investigation into what happened on Jan 6th 2021 is unconscionable. The fact that it took him 2 years into Biden’s term to even allow prosecution of the case out of fear that if it was done any sooner it might give the appearance of political retaliation means that Americans were denied timely justice.
Luigi Mangione shot a healthcare CEO in the back of the head and was in court by the end of the week.
Donald Trump committed the most brazen and public act of sedition ever and still walks free to this day, over 4 years later.
If you were to ask the founding fathers what they thought the most serious crimes in a free nation ought to be, they would have said treason, followed by murder. But we sure don’t seem to fucking treat these two crimes with anywhere near the same severity.
It sounds like you’re saying Garland should’ve “gone rogue” or broken the law to take down Trump>
Not in the least. He ignored the law and most importantly, justice, in the process of appearing apolitical. He waited forever to appoint Jack Smith, he didn’t file charges for sedition or treason against any members of the Trump cabinet when it was obviously needed to at least bring details to light, he didn’t go after any of Trump’s kids (or Kushner) for illegal monetary gain when newspapers had plenty enough details to do so, and he let the Hunter Biden lawsuit continue after it was obvious they had no real cause. All in the process of appearing apolitical. Republicans would have had a hard time getting better outcomes from having one of their own lackeys in that position.
He doesn’t just run the department of law and order, he runs the department of justice. And we got none of it during his tenure.
This is obvious sealioning.
Would have helped if Garland didn’t wait over 2 years to get started. He did this intentionally so they could then say “oopsie, we can’t continue to prosecute because now it looks politically motivated.” If Trump didn’t try for another run, Garland may have done nothing at all. He has 0 interest in holding the elites accountable and it shows.
I’ve heard this conspiracy theory. But the fact is there was never any evidence to support this. It seems like a talking point being pushed to garner bad public sentiment for Trumps enemies.
Obvious low effort troll. Garland did nothing to prosecute until 2023, this is an indisputable fact.
Garland pretended to build a case, with zero intention of every trying to prosecute it.
Remember, Garland is a neocon too. He only got put up for SCOTUS because Obama was trying to make a point (That the GOP will never let him appoint a justice).
Biden acted like that never happened.
Garland pretended to build a case, with zero intention of every trying to prosecute it.
Where’s your proof that he only pretended to build a case?
There isn’t any. It’s a conspiracy theory.
The fact that he didn’t put Trump in prison for the crimes he was convicted of is the issue.
It doesn’t matter how he avoided it, he did because that’s what his rich masters wanted
Proof?
Did Garland ever lay charges for sedition? The evidence was right on TV for the entire global population to watch live…
If Biden is any indication, the only power the president has is the power to do whatever Netanyahu orders him to.
That link you provided is excellent.
Covid was China, how do you figure it’s Trump’s fault?
He told people to inject bleach like what the fuck.
Nah, He didn’t.
But you construct whatever batshit insane reality you need too bud. Everyone needs a boogey man that they can direct their self hatred toward.
The quote made during a televised back and forth discussion with a doctor:
“And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?”
Honestly, if the message you got from this quote was “HE SAID INJECT BLEACH!!”, you either have a severe comprehension issue, understand but still choose to live in your fantasy, or you just consider internet headlines the most credible source of news available.
Ok, sure. He asked about injecting disinfectant. That isn’t better. If he didn’t pretend to be smarter than experts that would be fine, but he can’t ask that and still say he knows best on how to handle a pandemic. His disregard for human life makes me angry. I wish him all the karma he is due.
You ignored the look on the doctor’s face when he said that, didn’t you? Exactly what inside do you think he was talking about? He got the idea from doing it inside hospitals, so it wasn’t that.
Yep I don’t like this mischaracterization either. What he said was at least as stupid but this meme using the word bleach won’t die. It’s very odd.
“And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?”
The message I get from that is this is one dumb motherfucker who shouldn’t be anywhere near power.
You can’t control all the challenges of your presidency but there were a lot of actions he could have taken to reduce the harm done. Instead he worked to make it worse.
He withheld and stole equipment from blue states and sent it to Russia. He was actively anti-mask and anti-vax. Which both reduce harm to people (and the economy), he postponed stimulus checks so he could put his name on them. He allowed giving away taxpayer money to corporations and people that didn’t need it (PPP loans) and neglected the small businesses that could have actually used it.
You cannot simultaneously ignore all the mistakes Trump made around covid but also blame China just because the virus originated there.
First detected in China. It originated at MRI in KC.
KC?
Surely you’re not really this stupid…
We had pandemic response teams stationed in high risk areas around the world, including the Wuhan wet markets. Epidemiologists have been saying for decades that it was only a matter of time before we’d get hit by a pandemic, so we opened labs in those high risk areas to detect potential epidemics quickly and quarantine them before they could spread around the world.
Trump shut a bunch of them down to “save money” (also because it was something Obama did). Lo and behold, COVID swept the world almost immediately after. The pandemic was literally his fault.
Doesn’t matter, when Trump wrecks the economy he will say that he inherited the worst economy ever from Biden.
Someone should build a site that tracks all these metrics and promises from now on.
We’re all getting cheaper gas, electricity, and groceries right? RIGHT?!
Recks what 🤦 we are in bottom
“Empty suit makes grandiose empty statement.”
What good is that when we couldn’t sentence the clown coming into office that is going to dismantle whatever gains we might make.
Fuck the economy when garland let trump go. That’s biden’s fault. I will always remember Biden for that.
Yeah, great, I’m so impressed. I’ll quit one of my jobs. Thanks biden.
stronger than it was post obama but not strongest ever. heck that is just going to be harder and harder to do as time goes by.
Strongest so far in the 21st century.
so um. obama was 21st century.
Correct.
Fucking asshole.
Your climate policy is why LA is burning and will continue to burn. Nice carbon extraction economy you’ve kept there, Joe.
Also your military industrial economy is supporting a genocide. Great economy, Joe.
How did you expect him to get any meaningful climate policies through the Republicans in Congress?
As if he tried? He is pro-fracking. Its his policy.
yeah four more years of trump would have had us much better off like we will be four years from now. good is not good enough. we need worse.
Absolutely exhausted of democrats doing what they warned Trump would do, but it’s somehow less bad because they did it. They deserved this loss. I’ve voted democrat my whole life, (except third party once) including in this last election, and all we’ve got to show for it is years of sliding right while the democrats say “hey, you shouldn’t criticize us, because at least we aren’t republicans.” Fuck that, Republican policy doesn’t taste better from a Democrat. I wish catastrophic failure in every election on the DNC until they pull their heads out of their asses.
I mean they don’t do what is warned of trump doing unless you use the vaguest of terms and my main reason for voting for them is I have lived under democrats and replublicans since carter (well before that but I was to young to remember) and we have consistently lost ground under republicans and gained it back and occasionally moved forward under democrats. I want universal healthcare but im glad for obamacare. I want more environmental regulation but im glad we have some. Things like no surpise billing was a nice addition to obamacare while kicking out the mandate while popular has had noticable negative side effects with insurers and providers. I like a more stable government that collects tax to pay for its spending. Im not wild about the idea of stimulating the economy by only tax cuts and cooling it down by only interest rate increases. I don’t know what you are smoking but the democratic policies sure as heck have tasted better than the republicans. I do not hope you get your wish of total republican dominance in elections. I can’t image what it would be like now if we had gore over bush and more carter and less reagan and clinton over trump. You will be ecstatic to know things will be going your way for the next four years. Hope you like it because I sure won’t.
I won’t like the next four years at all, which is why I want the Democratic party to get its ass beaten so badly that there can be no question, no justification, no bullshitting about abandoning their courting moderate Republicans and corporate centrism. As I said in my original post, it’s what’s costing them elections, and they frankly don’t deserve to win with what they’ve been fielding when the order of the day is drastic change. The very next person in the DNC who blames the voter base needs to be taken out back and beaten with a roll of quarters. That kind of thinking is going to all but guarantee that the 2028 DNC platform is going to be “well, at the concentration camps, we’ll play messages telling everyone how very sorry we are to be doing this to them” and “well, yes, we’re not changing much, but did you see that we’re going to make it illegal for your health insurance company to spy on you with drones (unless you’ve signed a waiver (the waiver will be required to receive coverage)).” I want them to stop being the party of whinging about being the lesser evil and start being the punk rock party of fucking up fascists and crony capitalists.
oh yeah. get their ass beaten and get a few constitution changes and oh man things will be so much better. It like if things get bad enough then surely we will see a revolution or reversal just like how north korea or russia got so great. Any time we choose worse over better we create a worse future rather than a better one. There is no magic sudden upset that hass been seen in the past. Those were relatively isolated incidents in history. In addtion its from a time were pockets of diversity could happen. The problem with the dems don’t respect their base line is it ignores all good things and tends to gloss over history. isreal. cluster fuck. always has been. the expectation that the us is going to massively change its middle east policy in a way that has never been done before. almost zero. now universal healthcare. that could happen but not if we vote against it every other time.
They’re both capitalist assholes hell bent on destroying life for profit
capitalism is a spectrum and if your going to have it either way (like in an election with no other canidates) you should go with the one thats more socialist even if by a bit.
Who said anything about voting? I’m didn’t say someone shouldn’t vote for Bidin. I did say that Biden is an asshole with blood on his hands.
