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A reminder this was during a time period we all collectively agreed to ignore Arnold’s accent for narrative purposes.
My theory, at least for purposes of The Terminator, is that after Judgment Day, there were some human holdouts in Austria who sent troops to help fight Skynet, so that’s why an Austrian accent would be assigned to an infiltration unit.
I have nothing to say about Terminator 3. That was like three or four timeline modifications later. There’s bound to be some reality degradation.
Omg I forgot that’s not even a joke. He played Americans and didn’t even try
The number of times I’ve watched Twins and that…didn’t, at all, stick out to me…
Jfc you’re right… not even in the one where they’re making you think about his different appearance from Devito
Meanwhile, in Germany, they have to dub him, even if he speaks German, because he sounds like a country bumpkin.
Total fiction. Everyone knows you have to go to a unlicensed seller at a gun show in the majority of states for that, not a gun store
in the majority of states
States Where You Can Buy a Gun at a Gun Show Without a Waiting Period or Background Check
In the following states, private sellers (non-licensed individuals) at gun shows can sell firearms without conducting a background check or imposing a waiting period:
Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas Georgia Idaho Indiana Kentucky Louisiana Maine Mississippi Missouri Montana New Hampshire New Mexico North Carolina (only for rifles & shotguns; handguns require a permit) North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont Virginia West Virginia Wisconsin Wyoming
FREEDOM
North Carolina no longer requires a permit, except for concealed carry.
Which is good because it was a racist Jim Crow law and the majority of denials were to black people.
I did not know that. I do know you still have to get the federal background check, but that is handled by the gun shops and not the state.
Well gun shops and FBI of course, but yeah not the state.
All you need to do to stop that is make it possible for private individuals to conduct or verify a background check without involving an FFL dealer.
Sellers have a responsibility to sell only to non-prohibited people. Without a public background check option, that means you can’t sell if you have reason to believe they are prohibited.
As soon as you provide the option, your refusal to conduct a check on a prohibited person stops being exculpatory evidence and starts demonstrating malfeasance.
I love that the only surprising part of that list is that north Carolina was somewhat responsible
According to another comment reply that info is out of date
Of course that’s good because like 60% of pistol purchase permit denials were to black people and it was a jim crow law designed for exactly that, but yeah I remember reading about that when they ended it.
Virginia implemented a universal background check law a couple years ago that banned private sales without going through an FFL so they can be removed from the list. Though I’m not sure about the other half of the country
It doesn’t have to be a gun show, can be anywhere. I’ve legally purchased a handful of guns in random parking lots.
unlicensed seller at a gun show
Says people who have never been to a gun show. Find me ONE table that’s unlicensed.
There’s one gun show near me that allows private sellers to register for a table. The only time I’ve ever seen it is people in a historic items collectors club that show up, and I’ve only ever seen one with a gun to sell that was in working order and manufactured post-1899. He wanted $5,000 for a beat up m1917 Enfield. I don’t know whether he was stupid, or looking for someone else who was.
I’m sure there are plenty.
The finer detail though is that any FFL with a table still has to run a NICS background check. While any non-FFL doesn’t (and to my knowledge can’t even if they wanted to), which is exactly the same as if they were selling privately in any other way.
So, it is true you can buy a gun without a background check at a gun show, but it’s not like it’s a special law free zone where FFLs suddenly are exempt from the rules. It’s a unique situation where businesses and private sellers are selling guns right next to each other, each following different legal requirements.
Tbf, some states allow private sellers at gun shows, some don’t, some shows in states that do allow it won’t allow it themselves, etc. It’s kinda a mixed bag leaning more towards “mostly FFLs.”
My local has both, for instance.
I can find several people walking around with an AR15 strapped on their back with a sign that says “For sale, $1200”. That’s the actual private sales loophole.
No. That wouldn’t happen in a gun store.
You’d have to go to a gun show.
Edit: a gun show is like comic con, only for guns.
I mean Terminator 1 takes place in 1984. As far a quick search goes, there were no background checks, no assault weapon ban, no waiting period, …etc
I think you could still buy machine guns. No phased plasma rifles though.
Hey pal, only what you see here.
What, not even one in the 40-watt range?
It’s really difficult to buy them even now.
The process is quite simple. It’s just the prices…
I mean you can still buy them with a tax stamp if they’re made before '86, but you’re going to pay a lot and it’ll take some time to transfer. I think at the time that you could just walk into a gun store and buy a new Uzi.
Background checks started in '68, they didn’t become instant until like '93 because internet but they still existed, I think it was by phone back then. The rest of that isn’t around now either except for some states, the national AWB expired 21yr ago, and there’s never been national waiting periods.
Background checks started in '68, they didn’t become instant until like '93 because internet but they still existed
They may have existed and some states imposed them but they weren’t required federally until the Brady bill in '93 .
there’s never been national waiting periods.
There was a 5 day waiting period required nationally between when the Brady bill was first enacted in '93 and when the national instant criminal background check system came online in '98
Huh no shit TIL about that waiting period, thanks! I can’t look it up until later (at work, can fire off a message but not do research y’know) but would you happen to know how long it lasted?
Though the questionnaires in the 60s were largely ineffective and took time, unless I am mistaken they were stored by the FBI until the ATF started existing in the early 70s, but yes “NICs” wasn’t until “I” was possible as I mentioned.
How long it lasted?
Between '94 and '98, after they mandated the background checks but before they had the infrastructure to do instant background checks.
Thanks!
The NFA existed.
Private sales are private sales. Has nothing to do with gun shows, that shit is just ignorance from anti-2a groups/people. The pro2a people have been asking for access to the NICS for years. Even if we had to pay $10 for a BG check to come back as clear or not, but they don’t want that because it takes away from their wedge issue.
even as a foreigner, it is clear to me that gun-wary Americans tend not to be anti-2a, but want background checks and gun limits. Maybe politicians fit your narrative, especially Democrats, but if you are talking about citizens you are likely straw-manning.
The point is that private sellers have been asking to access NICS (the background check system) but politicians, who are in charge of giving that access through laws, have not allowed it. It is not “strawmanning” to be talking about the people with the actual ability to provide the access.
but they don’t want that because it takes away from their wedge issue.
Who is “they” in this case?
Republicans and Democrats. They both require wedge issues to keep us divided and easily steered.
Yep. Republicans don’t give a fuck about gun rights, they just use it as a wedge issue. The same for the dems on abortion, they could have solidified roe into law a good number of times now, but they didn’t because it’s a wedge issue that got votes. Even RBG said the roe was a weak verdict to be holding up abortion rights.
It’s required in Illinois to use a private seller portal for private sales through the state police site. It does some kind of check and it’s free to use.
That’s awesome, does it do the national database? That’s one of the downfalls I’ve read about. Local BGCs end up being just local, so someone can just hop the state line and then it’s pointless. Every gun owner I’ve ever talked to has wanted access to the NICS, we want to know who we’re selling to. Most of the people I talk with won’t sell unless the person buying has a CCW.
I’m not exactly sure if it does NICS specifically. The portal really just checks to see if they have a valid FOID (firearm owner ID, an Illinois special) card, but the foid card is linked to other data bases. I’m not super familiar with all the specifics. Relevant links:
What would not be like that? Nidal Hasan did it pretty much like that prior to his 2009 Fort Hood shooting?
Except Comic Con is rare, and they don’t have to take down their “gun show this weekend!” signs here in Iowa because that’s every weekend, or so it seems.
Agreed though. I was actually worried about what maga might do if Harris won, so I made my first purchases before the election. I had to provide ID, enter some personal identifiers into a website and be approved by a federal agency. It took an extra 30 minutes or so.
I live next to fairgrounds. Every Saturday: Gun and Knife Show.
But I also remember working at a marina and where I saw far more transactions take place between two parked vehicles than anything that requires paperwork.
a gun show is like comic con, only for guns.
So people dress up as sexy guns?
They cosplay as tough guys.
It was when I was younger. At 16, I was able to walk into a local gun shop and buy two boxes of 9mm ammo. Shop owner didn’t seem to care at all, so my friend (17) went back in weeks later to buy a .22 pistol.
No ID. No anything.
Thankfully, things have changed since then.
Changed for the better, right?
Better for sure, now kids can buy assault rifles /s
M16chan!
Definitely not, no 3rd pinhole and it’s got the CA neutered grip, just a regular old AR-15kun.
You should have got a gun the same caliber as the ammunition.
You think the owner knew?
😂 we were so young and dumb, we didn’t think that far ahead.
My friend just wanted something small (bad, BAD city), and what I bought wasn’t even for me. I got sent in by older guys who apparently weren’t allowed to buy ammo.
In retrospect, I think I was lied to 🤔
I hope you then sent the older guys in to the liquor store to buy you booze, as is tradition.
1984? In some states, yeah, It would have been that easy.
In 1984, a full auto would still have been on an NFA registry. Open, rather than closed like today, but still not a simple one step sale.
This is of course, fact checking the finer points of gun law in a movie about a time traveling robot.
If you find a one in a million firearms store who buys their own stock and resells out back illegally, it still is.
Also some pawn shops, technically anything made before a certain date is an Antique and skips a lot of regulations.
They’ll pry my right to sell a late medieval firearm to children from my cold dead hands.
Antique guns are pre 1898. Those guns are far more dangerous as a club than a gun.
You know the revolvers cowboys are famous for using are all pre-1898 and more than good guns, yeah? Assuming they’ve been maintained properly, that is
Even the black powder stuff is still going to be really damn good for most peoples uses (accuracy at short to medium range is just fine), I wouldn’t assume just because it’s older or powder that it’s not a good gun
I have a Steyr m95. Originally built in 1895. Has an internal magazine, straight pull bolt action, and shoots a surprisingly big bullet. It’s pretty dangerous. Sadly the ammo is so expensive I’ve only shot 20 rounds through it.
Damn not very 1984 of them
Except for state laws-- usually california, no limits on ammo purchases. Purchase 5 million rounds if thats what you need for um, deer hunting. Nothing over 50 cal, but 50 cal is fine. Mount it on your pickup truck or your own armored vehicle I guess. 50 cal ammo is 3 bucks per round for the cheap stuff so that adds up. Not a gun for the poors to own. You can own a tank if you want to, but theres a lot of laws around making it street legal, depending on the tank’s weight.
Operating a tank is a paperwork nightmare, which is another reason why Americans are so cynical about their government.
(/s)
You can own a tank if you want to, but theres a lot of laws around making it street legal, depending on the tank’s weight.
What if I just want a little joy ride through San Diego as a treat?
What do you mean I can’t have a Warhammer 40k type of missile launching bolter?
You can have it so long as it is semiautomatic. There’s just a lot of paperwork involved because the bolter itself and each individual round are probably considered destructive devices.
I enjoy posts like this where Americans get hooked into the legalities of what guns can be bought, the ammo, whether it’s permitted in some states, etc.
It’s a movie about a robot from the future which time travelled. And people are questioning the legalities of buying guns in the 80’s.
And also the answer is easy, yes. Then, now, tomorrow, yes you can just buy any gun anywhere you want at any time. To be clear, I am American. Living in Amerikkka. Before posting this I went into my local Starbucks and bought a mortar launcher and a semi automatic pistol. After that I went over to fed ex and printed 3 luigi pistols in 4 different colors.
Could you just imagine the suppression people face in other countries? Calling them colours or whatever it is in the metic system.
Can confirm. I got the two mortar round special to go with my vinte mocha frappachino. I showed them my 'merica card and got an extra tube launcher thrown in because I drink a lot of fancy overpriced coffee as is 'merican tradition. Two more punches on my card and I get a drum magazine for the rifle of my choice with 2 pallets of ammo. Also back in the 80’s you could just buy your guns out of vending machines at K-Mart. Terminator is using rookie numbers and clearly from the future.
UZI NINE MIDDIMETER
PHAZE PLASMA RIFLE IN THE 40 WATT RANGE
He also asks for an “Uzi 9mm” a full-auto machine gun, which you could NOT just buy over the counter at a retail gun store.
There was a ban on selling machine guns to civilians that was passed in 1986.
The original Terminator film came out in 1984. So now? Yes, but then?
Probably accurate.
What if the ban happened because of the movie, someone realized robot from the future could really happen, so they just ban it.
The real real was that the 1986 act was a mixed bag. The closing of the machinegun registry was part of a compromise where on the other end some record keeping and shipping requirements for FFLs were relaxed, and ATF inspection limits of FFLs were put in place.
Not entirely. Machineguns have, since 1934, been required to be registered with the federal government, and for a normal person individually require a federal approval to buy (a “stamp”).
What happened in 1986 was the machinegun registry changed from open to closed. This means, that new machineguns are no longer added to the registry, meaning that for the average person (ie not somebody involved in the industry with their own special licensing) the number of machineguns for sale is limited and supply over time will always be going slowly down.
The process for buying a machinegun is as simple as buying any other NFA item like a silencer/suppressor or an SBR. The cost has skyrocketed thanks to limited supply.
There are still transferrable Mac 10s out there though
The above point was you don’t just buy them over the counter in a one step, walk in transaction. The precise model doesn’t matter.
“Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range.”
“Hey, just what ya see, pal.”
“Hey wait a minute. Those haven’t been invented yet. What are you? Some kind of time traveling killer robot with incomplete historical records. Hang on just one second pal, I gotta go to the back.”
Well, he did come from the future after all. It wouldn’t be hard for Skynet to dig through criminal records, court cases, sales records, bank info, etc… and pinpoint where to get an optimal shopping experience for this mission.
Part of the plot was that Skynet didn’t have great records. The terminator had to use a phone book and go down the line killing Sarah Conners because it didn’t know which one was the target
I find it weird that there probably was an early skynet that did know all these addresses off a bat but had no time machine, and then a later skynet that lost that info but did have that time machine.
I guess the rebels really did make a marked difference to the data banks of skynet to cripple it, even as its capabilities were extended
Consider that a fire in one building in 1973 destroyed millions of military records of which there were no copies, ruining bookkeeping for military personnel who had been discharged up to the 1960s.
The world was much less digitized even in the 1980s. A lot of records were still kept on paper or microfiche.
In the world of The Terminator Skynet’s first move was to nuke population centers. That means destroying untold numbers of records. Sure some military and high level government records would be on ARPANET but Skynet wouldn’t by default have been fed all of this mundane business and personal information because it simply hadn’t been digitized and had no application for a military network.
Thats a lot of blank spaces.
Used to be.
America? Probably (dunno what guns laws are like Bolivia or the other American countries). The US America? Definitely!
In South America you just find guns on the street on the bodies of dead gang members x)
So all you have to do is get shot?
All you have to do is get someone shot.
Everybody knows what everyone means when anyone says america. Cope 😅
Edit: tHe Us aMeRiCa? 🥴🥴🥴
Cope
Leave Adam Copeland out of this.
