A reddit user posted screenshots of a gas giant that were beautifully adorned with the colors of the trans flag.
This attracted bigots with their agenda to disrupt the community discussion and the mods shut it down by locking the post.
So the poster created a second one with more photos as a symbolic gesture that the message was simply about pretty planets that they felt represented them-
It too, was locked.
I made a post there proclaiming that I am leaving until I see the mods replaced with those that will not give in to bigotry, and I linked to this community with the hope that people can find a new home here.
Sooooo… welcome new friends!
Bigot Reddit mods? I cannot believe this.
But chuds told me Reddit was “too far-left”, because they weren’t complete bigots, and don’t allow networked harassment and doxing.
Reddit is so big that it encapsulates everyone. You’ll find far left. You’ll find far right. You’ll find a few people who somehow missed the joke, and think birds not being real is an actual conspiracy.
My point is, you can’t say “reddit is _____”, because they have 500 million monthly users.
Even Lemmy, which is a fraction of the size, has far right people here.
I still lurk some of the drama entertainment subs like AITA and relationship advice and there’s still a strong left lean on those subs. Posts on the lines of “AITA for ending personal relationships with Trump supporters” aren’t rare while I don’t recall seeing any from the other side (though there have been some that avoid mentioning anything more than “political differences” and keep the specifics vague and might be from the other side, but the fact that this is the closest says enough on its own).
Comments that support Trump get downvoted, though more neutral “voice of reason” style comments can do ok.
Lots of AI posts, though. It’s been going from a Jerry Springer kind of vibe to more of a Jerry Seinfeld vibe, where it’s sometimes still entertaining but mostly made up.
Maybe there’re better examples to argue your point but not being nice to fascists doesn’t automatically give a space “a strong left lean.” It just makes it not fascist.
That’s fair. It could be neoliberal overall, since it does still seem friendly to minorities (at least the drama entertainment subs are, I don’t assume the whole site is like that), but economics and politics don’t often come up, other than the politics of supporting or opposing Trump.
So I guess it’s more accurate to say it’s not far right leaning.
If the “discussion” was getting too heated for the mods to handle, locking (but not deleting!) the thread sounds like the right call. What’s the alternative? Ban one bigot, five more will appear. Ban them and lock the thread to prevent more bigotry.
Ban one biggot, five more appear. Ban five more. 10 more appear. Ban them all until they run out of accounts.
Aren’t there options to restrict posting to people that have been around the sub for a while though? Pretty sure I have seen others do it. Might be a better choice as it means you are only banning community members that are bigots and bigots from outside of the community can’t comment.
That allows the community to continue to enjoy the place.
If that’s an option, agreed. It’s been a while since I’ve been active over there so it didn’t occur to me.
No. Just ban the bigots when they appear. It’s pretty simple.
Locking a thread that gets heated and goes wildly off topic is normal moderating actions.
It stops any kind of inflow of rule breaking, it stops all arguments, and it gives mods time to sort out what’s happened.
If an new/inexperienced mod encounters something they don’t know how to handle, locking is the safest bet. It keeps the content, prevents escalation.The behaviour afterwards is what defines if the mods support bigotry or not.
Ideally the mods wade through the bullshit, delete the bigotry comments and ban the bigots with the reason of “being a bigot”. Then release a post saying that bigotry is not tolerated, and make any changes to rules that are appropriate. Consulting the community where appropriate, and being as transparent as possible.
All of this takes time. Locking a post is the first stage.By creating a second thread with more similar content, the OP is subverting moderators trying to moderate.
There is already a thread that got out of hand, which mods are struggling to deal with.
By creating ANOTHER thread, it doubles the mods workload. The expected mod action would be to lock it instantly with a comment stating they are tidying up an existing post, clarifying rules, and will contact OP when they can safely repost. Next best thing is to just delete it.The correct response from OP would be to ask for a public comment why the original thread was locked.
This would prompt a moderator comment - hopefully - that they are dealing with it, and will give a timeline of expected deadlines.It’s not the mods that are bigots, it’s that Reddit is a cesspool. And fun communities can easily be overwhelmed if targeted.
If the mods hadn’t encountered this behaviour before, then they have to figure out - amongst themselves and with the community - how to proceed.I wasn’t there, I can’t be arsed reading Reddit bullshit. From the context you’ve given, I’ve come to the above conclusion.
Is it possible they just don’t feel like dealing with and interacting with the hate? The mods are modding a game subreddit they aren’t making a space where they should be expected to engage in culture wars. It’s depressing having to interact with a ton of hate.
Im bi and I wouldn’t want to deal with people engaging in hateful discussions about bisexual erasure on a subreddit that has nothing to do with sexuality or social issues. That isn’t the space for it.
Not feeling like dealing with it is just being bigoted out of fear of bigots. It doesn’t change anything. Cowardice isn’t an excuse.
Are they obligated to deal with hate when what they signed on for was moderating a subreddit about a video game?
Why are you deciding that someone else must take part in your desire to fight about things unrelated to the subject of the subreddit? Why do you feel entitled to their time and their mental energy like that?
Yes, if you sign up to be a mod, you are signing up to moderate. That includes dealing with whatever hate falls into your community.
The fuck is wrong with you? Oh, the poor little moderators have to do what the name of their positions fucking implies they should be doing? How dare we feel entitled to demand those who volunteered to do a job actually do their job?!
If you’re too much of a coward to acknowledge or deal with hate or drama when it shows up, then you shouldn’t be a fucking mod.
Yes, if you sign up to be a mod, you are signing up to moderate. That includes dealing with whatever hate falls into your community.
Just keep in mind that “dealing” can also mean “nuke everything off topic”.
Im surprised that people don’t get this. If the post has nothing to do with the game and it is a source of problems then shut it down.
Are we forgetting the first post in question was literally a game screenshot?
That doesn’t mean the resulting conversation that was nuked has anything to do with the game.
What’s wrong with me? You’re the one deciding that someone else should moderate and confront hate on a subreddit because you feel entitled to their efforts.
Having consideration for others is the baseline of being a decent person. Why is this a problem for you?
Golly gee, how awful of me to expect someone who volunteered for a position of authority to actually do something their position requires.
This isn’t random bystanders catching flack, these are people who SIGNED UP TO DO A JOB. If I volunteered to help at a soup kitchen and then just never showed up, the soup kitchen has a right to be upset with me. They are, in fact, entitled to be upset with me because I made a promise to help. And then I broke that promise.
They did do what their position required they shut down a thread that was filled with hate that had no bearing on the game.
You think they should just have to accept dealing with hate non-stop because you have zero empathy for these people as you have made clear in your posts.
You seem to think subreddits shouldn’t be focused on the subject of the subreddit which is really weird.
It’s a screenshot of the game, how does it not have bearing?
Just ban the bigots and look for common patterns so that they can implement an Automod bot to deal with most of the bigots automatically. Why be a mod if you don’t want to moderate things?
They dud moderate. They shut down the thread.
Why do you think you are entitled to demand that someone confront a flood of hate for free when the subreddit isn’trelated to anything that should draw arguments on gender identity?
Why do you keep acting like banning people is “confronting a flood of hate”? You know there is literally 0 confrontation involved, right?
Shutting down the thread was how they stopped the flood of hate. Bans were likely given out to people acting rudely or were promoting hate or violence.
You know if you are LGBT+ constantly seeing hate directed at other LGBT+ folks is draining?
But the main problem isn’t really resolved. The bad actor is still in the community, and so they will still support and promote anti LGBT rhetoric.
Shutting down a thread is bad for good faith participants in a conversation and is good for bad faith trolls that are just there to rile people up.
Besides, you kinda completely avoided my point. How is banning someone confrontation? If anything, shutting down the thread is more confrontation? Because those people are still in the community and can just post somewhere else. Gay people exist and get harassed for existing. What has been accomplished?
It is resolved. The pic started fights and had no relevance to the overall game. After it was pulled OP reposted it which means even though they knew it wasn’t ok for that space, as the mods locked it, they were going to perpetuate the problem so the mods banned one of the people causing problems.
It was a picture of the game.
Edit: resolved in the sense that the bigots got their way, btw. Lol.
What are you, one of those self-hating gays that want other gays to shut up about being gay because it makes you look bad to the straighties?
This thread has nothing to do with the game either.
And mods can axe it if they so choose but as this isn’t a hatefest this likely isnt an issue.
Also, as far as I can tell from the context, they didn’t remove the post or punish OP, they only locked the discussion.
If this was a black person you would see this differently no? Veiled transphobia here
No, I would see this the same way. It’s a video game subreddit. They signed on to moderate discussions about the game not social issues.
Why do you feel entitled to the moderator’s time and energy? Why do you think you have a right to force them to confront hate on a subreddit that is about a space exploration video game?
Leadership sets the tone of a community. If the leaders are going to allow hate towards some part of the community, that effect will spread. So why would they allow hate of any type?
Now imagine you were moderating a Spore community. Some pastel-colored planets seem pretty tame compared to the imagery that game allowed.
If the leaders are going to allow hate towards some part of the community, that effect will spread.
They most certainly didn’t allow further hate. They killed the thread.
The problem is: why do you need to talk about these arguments in a game subreddit ? Or in any other place not dedicated to these arguments ?
Existing isn’t an argument, neither are peoples rights.
True, but this does not mean that everyplace is the right place to talk about everything.
Would you have a problem with a straight person talking Bout their wife or husband, or about their gender? Thats all they did, mention it. Existence is not political, imagine being told you can’t even talk about a fundamental part of yourself because you’re “being political.”
Yes, if the person do it in the wrong place.
See, the problem with people like you is that they think that every place is the right place to talk about everything. And then call bigots the ones that point out “look wrong place to discuss these topics”.
But what you fail to explain is why it should be allowed. If there is a division into topics (be them subreddit, lemmy communities or whatever) it means something. It is not that on StackOverflow you can discuss about personal relationships, there are site of the network dedicated.
the nomanshigh subreddit is the true space for No Man’s Sky fandom. Suggest that user post there, they will get a much better reaction
I quit reddit but not the nipnip grah!
Coincidentally just started playing recently, it’s really cool to have a community on Lemmy now for the game, at least.
I just restarted. It’s wonderful fun. I’m working my way towards a black hole and I’ve no idea why.
Black Hole’s will send you to the other side of the galaxy and closer to the center of the universe. The effects are cool but sometimes your ship will receive damage when you go through them, so be ready.
Did you happen to save the pics of those planets? Sounds dope
I would love to see things get more active over here. It’s a pretty good community on Reddit, but the mods are way too heavy handed.
If you watch “new” when a big update drops, you’ll see almost every post about it get removed. Only the special chosen post gets to stay up, and it’s never the first one. I can’t help wondering if it’s a karma grab.
NMSCoordinatesExchange has some annoying rules, too. If you post a gallery of finds it can get removed for not being split into multiple posts. If I post a gallery, it’s because I don’t have the time or inclination to spam the sub with dozens of related items. Would they rather nobody sees them at all? Seems like a poorly considered rule for a place that’s supposed to encourage sharing of content.
What a shock… the social media site who’s admin’s supported the Jailbait subReddit (until they were publicly shamed for it) are actually a bunch of assholes. How surprising.
Is this the sane site that refused to take down a porn selling subreddit after they were sent screenshots proving the platform was being used to exchange CSAM?
Life already has so much drama, why go seeking out and creating more of it on purpose?
From my perspective, it was hateful bigots that went seeking it out when someone innocently posted pictures of a gas giant that bore a resemblance to the trans flag colors- and they lost their shit.
