I can’t believe no one has commented this yet.
She’s not going to say there’s no list. She’s going to say she has the list and it’s conveniently going to contain all of trump’s enemies … probably including Obama.
Then why hide it?
because it’s fake … I’m implying the orange king boy rapist is going to offer her a pardon in exchange for lying under oath
Yup, they’re going to have her lie and then produce doctored documents with the name of political opponents and have them dragged off in unmarked vans
Why marked vans? WHen you can have your deranged supporters wearing a mask and a police outfit and make a wellness check at 2am in the morning…still can’t believe that dude shot the dog too, what a piece of shit.
Only because ICE uses unmarked vans and they’re basically his Gestapo
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We already know Trump was all over it. She doesn’t have the list. She’s been in a federal prison for 5 years.
“she told us where she hid it”
Breaking news: Maxwell has been shot while trying to escape, in the back of the head. After a brief investigation her death has been ruled suicide by cop. Jk, unless…
It’s really not that unreasonable. If I fell out of a high-rise window, I’d probably try to off myself mid-air on the way down, too, rather than face the terror of the rest of the plunge.
It wouldn’t surprise me too much.
Pardoning Maxwell would be an insanely bad idea. The MAGA world love two things more than anything else; conspiracy theories, and imagining themselves in an endless war against a cabal of powerful pedophiles.
Maxwell directly aided and abetted one of those powerful pedophiles. To MAGA, there is no possible justification for pardoning her. It would be tantamount to a full admission from Trump, and it would send their conspiracy addled minds into overdrive. At best (for him), they’d wonder what kind of leverage she has over Trump in order to buy herself a pardon. If not evidence of pedophilia, then surely something else, right?
Is Maxwell angling for a pardon? Almost certainly. But giving her one would be a suicidal move for the administration right now.
Well I mean bottom line is, it’s a damned if he does damned if he doesn’t situation.
She gets killed, that’s insane fuel to the fire.
Trump pardons her… that’s as good as admitting they are working together.
She actually tells what she knows, trumps fucked.
So… if you ask me based on a raw strategy… the DOJ is going to let the sweetheart deal appeal happen, and maxwell will comit perjury, say she happened to be in some of the places trump was, but never were that close and that trump always considered epstein a creep and kicked them out of marlago.
Even better for MAGA, they can have her lie and name a bunch of their favorite punching bags. Suddenly, the cabal will have been led by Obama, Biden, Sanders, AOC, George Soros, Nancy Pelosi, etc. It will fuel their rage.
Lots of everyday people won’t believe it, of course. But that’s the brilliance. Their MO is to attack the concept of objective truth. Throw enough bullshit accusations of participation in Epsteins’s crimes out there, and the real perps will be shielded by the collective doubt surrounding any accusations of child rape.
AOC is not a reasonable target. She never had money or power. I don’t think anyone would believe Sanders. Everyone else I think is a possible target.
Unbelievable is the point.
Cast doubt on any Epstein accusations.
Lying under oath means more prison, not less.
Absolutely… in a world where the justice system is impartial and a consistent adherence to the law is judged rather than who appointed the judge.
That being said, I would say it’s more practical to make unprovable claims, not provably false claims.
the cabal will have been led by Obama, Biden, Sanders, AOC, George Soros, Nancy Pelosi, etc.
Fun fact: there’s a theory that the word “cabal” was originally an acronym formed from the last names of Sir Thomas Clifford, Lord Arlington, the Duke of Buckingham, Lord Ashley and Lord Lauderdale, a group of ministers for King Charles II of England (it may just be that the word became popular because of this acronymic coincidence). So in your example, it would be an obsasp.
obscsp if going purely by last names then
It’s not purely last names, though. The Duke of Buckingham’s last name was Villiers but he was commonly called “Buckingham”. AOC most commonly goes by “AOC” so the “a” works.
Right, I think the <title> of <place> system kinda makes you forget these people have real names too. I certainly often do
Anyway apparently the word comes from the hebrew kaballah which is sad
Antisemitism!
No one would believe that and she’d be obviously perjuring herself. How the hell could she say AOC was on there?
He doesn’t have to go as far as pardoning her. It can be a plea deal type of thing. That will require some level of cooperation from the courts, which is probably what they are negotiating right now. She has no leverage to make threats (“pardon me or I’ll expose you”) because her life is already forfeit, as Epstein’s death shows. So she’ll go along with even a weak deal like a long prison stance but under more comfortable conditions, with perhaps some assurances she won’t suddenly commit suicide.
My MiL is deep MAGA. The only thing true is that whatever the outcome, she will regurgitate the Trump talking points. They could tell her Maxwell was a secret agent for Trump in the 90s, and she would buy it.
I don’t know if you’re close to anyone MAGA, but it is truly a blind cult. The Right just needs to find a palpable enough angle to spin.
I think more dangerous for this regime is other people know what’s on the list. She’s not the only one.
But will that stop them from supporting a 3rd term bid?
Suicidal how? It’s not like the modern republican party, at least those in congress, is likely to impeach their own president, and seeing as he’s term limited, if Trump got another term, he would have had to throw out the constitution completely and unambiguously to do it, at which point he could simply throw out the “election” part too.
Two fold; first they lose the vast majority of their voter base and second they earn the ire of a lot of crazy dangerous people.
Exactly. They’ll promise one at the end of Trump’s presidency. Of course she won’t believe the promise.
She’d be stupid to take any deal, she’ll be dead before the term is over, regardless of a possible pardon. He can’t risk her talking under a potential different government.
Honestly I think different there… she’s not dumb, she’s got killer contacts, and she knows what happened to Epstein. In her shoes. I’d have used whatever I can to rig up a dead mans switch, then put pressure onto trump to get her out of there.
Car accident on the way back to prison.
It’s kinda weird they’d use a Tesla for prison transport.
He still has the problem of obviously pardoning a woman convicted of heinous crimes involving trafficking of young girls to facilitate Epstein.
how is that a problem for him?.. everybody already knows he is a rapist and convicted felon and Muricans still elected him president
Yep, either they actually voted for him or the votes were juiced (“No-one knows these machines better than Elon.”). Him obviously being a scumbag makes no difference in either of those scenarios.
I’m responding the possibility of him doing so, as raised by others. If that’s not a problem for him then neither is him being in the files, negating the need to pardon Maxwell.
It wasn’t a problem when he pardoned hundreds of violent traitors and insurrectionists.
It wasn’t a problem when he himself was found guilty of SA and convicted of multiple felonies.
It wasn’t a problem when he admitted he would like to bang his daughter.
It wasn’t a problem when he said he could murder someone in broad daylight and not face any consequences.
Somehow I think this won’t be a problem either.
Yeah, it won’t even be given the slightest consideration.
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It is one of my “old man yell at cloud” moment, but he doesn’t give a shit. He has dodged every consequence of his actions until now. Why would that be different now?
Then why would he do it in the first place?
He seems like more of a “can I?” than a “should I?” guy on the Ian Malcolm ethical spectrum.
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It doesn’t seem to matter even if there is.
The Republican Party doesn’t want to impeach him. Some of Democrat Party do, but their efforts get squashed by the Republicans and the other half of their own party.
He can’t be held personally accountable for abusing his power in this case either, thanks to SCrOTUS basically saying that official presidency acts are above the law.
Where the hell have you been? There’s been checks on everything this entire time but failing any of them doesn’t matter anymore.
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I sincerely envy your wishfulness
And I haven’t been pessimistic enough to expect everything that’s already happened
God this sucks
LOL.
You must be new here.
The whole shit show is based on the assumption that the people of the United States wouldn’t elect a dictator, or would at least take action if it turned out that an elected person was in fact a dictator.
Seems to be that neither of those things are true.
Er … no. At this point, the presidency can do pretty much whatever it wants. You may be thinking that I am using hyperbole, but I am not. The Supreme Court determined that, as long as the president says, “I’m acting as the president!”, whatever action that follows is excempt from prosecution.
Either that or she’ll tragically take her own life while the guards are on break and the cameras are down.
and cellmate transfered out
Apparently pardons don’t need to made public and they could offer a pardon that takes effect on a future date. She’s in a federal prison so they put her in some really nice conditions in club fed until that date.
So we won’t know she was pardoned until she walks out of the prison.
The neat thing about pardons is if you accept one you lose your 5th amendment rights around the subject, and be compelled to testify.
Something tells me an enabler of this level will have no problems with pesky moral hurdles like oaths or the truth.
Testify in another court case or could congress subpoena her?
Both
I understand the cynicism, but, I actually think that GM knows what happened to Epstein. From reading interviews and her online presence, you can tell quickly that she is a very timid and fearful person in the face of all of this, but she also seems to display the usual sense of self-preservation that most of us have too.
I think she knows that she is at risk of being ‘suicided’ by speaking to the US government. I don’t think Trump would get her to agree to say nothing happened and let her free, because if she is free and fucks off to Belize, she could still ruin his fucking life from 3,000 miles away.
Personally, I think that the situation we are looking at is that she knows that if she doesn’t pipe up and drop more dirt, she WILL be silenced before that can happen. I don’t think it’s beyond the realm of possibilities that GM has a dead-man’s switch operating somewhere; for Christ’s sake, she was the chief of staff of the world’s largest and most elaborate sex trafficking and extortion ring.
Why would it be beyond the pale for her to have shipped a box of Epstein’s hard drives from his Florida properties? They could easily have been shipped to some douche in another country who benefits from a trust for as long as they sit on that information, with instructions to release the documents online if GM is reported as dead.
She’s a spy master. Don’t take anything for what you see.
I started seeing it differently the second I realised she was Robert Maxwell’s daughter.
That guy was dodgy as fuck and so is she. She could well be the one that ordered Epstein be Epsteined.
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I dunno. I haven’t seen that proven definitively yet, but I know that several of her siblings did go into the intelligence industry. It is not farfetched, either, given Alex Acosta’s comment that he was told Epstein was an intelligence asset and to leave it alone.
https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-mossad-tucker-carlson-israel-naftali-2098880
You’ll never find any concrete proof. They’re spys from a legacy family. The old man, her father, made quite the name for himself. I’d put money down on that’s partially the reason they’re not getting released. Afaik, people haven’t been able to figure out if Ghislaine introduced Epstein to her father or vice versa.
#Truth
Well yeah, how else can they claim the list isn’t real?
They are going to claim that the evidence never existed, something something Biden treason, and then point to the pardon from now on when people bring up the files.
And MAGA will lap it up like puppies and a bowl of peanut butter.
If she doesn’t lick his balls to get a pardon I’ll break my cellphone in half and shove it down my throat until I can’t see it anymore.
