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This generation in Western Europe is totally against Russia. It is necessary to uproot them in their entirety.
Why do you think this happened? This guy has no idea.
Love me or I shoot
The shooting will continue until the love improves
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Red? What’s that got to do with this?
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I think he wants to go back to the Russian Empire. At least that is what he himself is referring to again and again in his pseudo-historical ramblings. He cherry-picks from history whatever suits him and his imperialistic goals.
The USSR was just the Russian empire in a communist cosplay. It’s all tzars all the way down.
Red is synonymous with commie in most ex-soviet states. In Poland communism is viewed exactly the same as nazism. Maybe even worse because at least Germans apologized.
When they admit their war crimes we should believe them.
this is great, posts like these draw out all the tankies who I can then add to my block list
Good idea.
Taiwan number one
1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre 15 Apr 1989 – 4 Jun 1989
Mainland Taiwan number 5
What are tankies?
misguided people who simp for dictators and war criminals just because they oppose the west
no downvote? Not sure they are here
They were here last night in a downvote brigade, so I’m sure they’ll find this thread eventually.
yeah it seems like I was a bit optimistic
People who’ve gone so far left they’ve come full circle and gone fascist and admire authoritarian communist regimes like China and the USSR. Like flat earthers I thought they were a made up joke until I started seeing a while bunch of unironic “Stalin did nothing wrong” type commentary.
Oh to be innocent again
I think a better question is “where are these tankies?” because I keep seeing people talk about them on these kinds of posts and have yet to actually see a tankie. Who here is defending the killing of POWs? You’d think they exist based on some of the posts here calling out this strawman.
They’re on Lemmygrad which lemmyworld defederated from.
Their communities have been defederated from .world which is why you don’t see them.
They can still post on communities here and I’ve definitely seen users from lemmygrad post in communities here, but I’ve never seen actual tankie rhetoric. What I do see are many here claiming that the tankies are rampant but nothing to actually back that up. Is pointing to lemmygrad like how some people point to Chicago or Detroit and make broad generalizations?
I had to switch instances to one that defederated from Hexbear because there would be hundreds of comments from them with a few tankies posting dozens of comments. It’s real. You’re just not seeing it due to the defederation.
If you’re defederated you won’t see their comments.
Creators of Lemmy are tankies. Lemmy.world defederated from their lemmygrad instance but lemmy.ml is still there unfortunately.
What’s wrong with lemmy.ml?
Same owners as lemmygrad.
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Lemmygrad ewww. Go stink somewhere else.
Watch me supporting human rights in the global south by reads notes arming religious fanatics who want to turn women into cattle
Amusingly, I see responses to this that I can’t see.
The block function is beautiful.
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No different then when some SS officers admitted to what they did to the “undesirables” and that they deserved it, and would do it again.
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Russia is a diseased country that’s trying to spread its rot. Why they aren’t dealt with more sternly is curious to me
because invading another country usually involves mass civilian deaths and should be avoided as a rule
Nobody wants to invade Russia. Whats absurd is that we sit around and let them invade other countries. I understand the desire to avoid escalation but if all other avenues fail there should be a willingness among free nations to boot them out swiftly and efficiently and make it clear that their dreams of empire building are done and it’s time to get their house in order instead of distracting themselves with destroying others.
there is currently an extensive international effort to not let them invade other countries
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Which is a nice change to their usual invasions of other countries.
Of course if that could happen if anyone were to invade other countries, it would be nice.
Yes but not nearly so committed that treating them more “sternly” immediately entails a full out invasion of Russia.
This is what NATO exists to do.
It’s also gone hilariously bad for those who tried in the past
Russia is incoveniently large.
They have nukes
They maybe have nukes
They literally can’t fuel their own tanks so whether or not their nukes are more than just expensive paperweights is very much up for discussion
It only takes one successful nuke to produce a world of regret, vastly worse than anything experienced to date.
Is that really a risk worth taking?
Gonna be honest dude I don’t see anyone in the DoD listening to my hot takes or taking me very seriously.
And foreign policies
Basically, there’s no direct laws to prosecute other countries. There’s only sanctions. And since we can’t pull them in front of the Hague, we are using sanctions. And with “we” I mean all of the world except for a few rogue nations like Saudi Arabia, North Korea, China, India, and a few more iirc.
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Rouge nations make up more than half the earth?
It’s a popular colour apparently.
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It’s sad to witness the animosity towards Russia. The responsibility lies with Putin and those who actively support him - they seized power and manipulated the populace, and commit war crimes. Not all Russians do that. Despite his suppression of independent media and the severe penalties, including up to 15 years of imprisonment, for engaging in not only “anti-war” but even “pro-peace” protests, a significant number of people continue to oppose the war.
Putin’s narrative revolves around the notion that “in the West, they harbor hatred towards us, attempting to dismantle us.” By uttering “fuck Russia,” unwittingly or not, you’re just endorsing Putin and his propaganda. Please don’t do that. Instead, say “fuck Putin”.
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True, but propagandists don’t care. They pick facts that support their view and discard ones that oppose it. So, for everyone who says “FUCK RUSSIA,” they answer with “SEE, SEE, WE ARE RIGHT, WE SHOULD RESIST AND FIGHT BACK.” They will just pull your words out of context.
So, if you are a responsible citizen, I ask you not to spread hatred towards our country, but to support it on the way to sanity, normality, and democracy. Please spread hatred towards propagandists, war criminals, and usurpers instead.
They don’t need context, if people weren’t saying fuck Russia they would just make shit up. Fuck off and stop trying to protect their sad wittle feewings
I’m not protecting someone’s feelings, at least not intentionally. I’m just trying to stop hatred towards people based on their nationality. Care to take a guess who historically propagated such nationalistic hatred?
Thank you for sharing your perspective. I hadn’t thought about it like that, but I think you’ve got a point. When horrible people are leading a country, both horrible people and people that maybe don’t know any better will come out of the woodwork to support them and carry out their demands. That’s no reason to condemn an entire country, but every reason to condemn that leader. Blanket statements can very rarely be applied to a large group of people.
FUCK PUTIN.
I genuinely appreciate your willingness to engage in a thoughtful conversation and consider different perspectives. It’s refreshing to see open-mindedness in discussions like these. Your message truly made my day, and I’m grateful for your understanding. Thank you! ❤️
Russian here. Just to clarify, most of us won’t get upset if someone says “Fuck Russia”, as we understand that you mean “Fuck the Russian state” - lots of us been saying the same for a long time, as, believe it or not, living in an authoritarian state ain’t fun.
The line gets crossed when people say “Fuck Russians”, call for oppressive measure against Russian nationals, celebrate their deaths or even outright attack them. That’s fucked up.
Overall, I agree with your points.
Unfortunately though, Putin himself isn’t raping Ukrainian women, blowing up kids, destroying crops, etc. That’s on the Russians who are in Ukraine doing these things. As they showed in Nuremberg, following orders is not an excuse.
This is all done by soldiers, who are out there in the battlefield. Most of them don’t have no phones nor internet. The only ones who would ever hear such message are not the ones involved in it. None of my friends raped Ukrainian women, nobody in my family blew kids up, I personally didn’t destroy any crops, why accuse all of us of something we didn’t do? Words like that are just pushing away people who don’t believe Putin’s lies.
As I said…
That’s on the Russians who are in Ukraine doing these things.
Are your friends in Ukraine doing these things? I said there are Russians doing these things, not Putin. Other innocent Russians of course should not be blamed for the actions of these people, but innocent Russians should stop blaming mean people on the internet and instead call out the citizens who are making Russians look bad through committing war crimes.
It would be nice if it was just Putin. And it’s true that lots of Russians are opposed to the war. It’s even probably true that lots of them are as apolitical as they can be, just doing whatever they have to do to survive day by day.
But there are lots of Russians who support him. Even outside of Russia. There is, in fact, a large portion of the population that approves of him, despite the invasion into Ukraine. A lot of it is retired people, of course, but also shit-tons of people who listen mainly to Russian news sources, and therefore believe Putin’s propaganda.
Even if Putin were assassinated the next day, his replacement wouldn’t be much better. Hopefully they’d pull out of Ukraine, but they would likely be just as chauvinist and nationalist as Putin. Russia’s political spectrum is, unfortunately, very close to “50 shades of nationalism”, to the point where even Navalny had to curry favor with them to build up sufficient support. And nationalists (and fascists) tend to do stupid shit like invading neighboring countries.
I would agree that “fuck Russians” is going a step too far. But if Russia’s international reputation is shit right now, it’s no one’s fault but Putin’s, and it is unfortunately well-deserved. And, whether we like it or not, when you say “I’m from [country]”, that country’s reputation will affect how people see you. So if individual Russians around the world are facing stigma, that’s really unfortunate, but it’s the inevitable outcome of shit like this. It’s nothing new — after WWII, Germans had to deal with the exact same shit.
My intention was not to upset you, but rather to offer a perspective that looks beyond a blanket condemnation of a whole country. I believe in addressing issues by holding those in power accountable for their actions while recognizing that not all individuals within a nation support or approve those actions.
It’s not Putin who’s committing torture, rape, and genocide of Ukrainians. It’s not Putin who’s sailing the warships, driving the tanks, laying the mines, and pushing the buttons to launch missiles. And even if there are a significant number of russians who oppose the war, the majority of them don’t. The animosity towards russia will continue to be justified until russia stands firmly against genocide.
If it’s not Russia, it’s Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc. etc. etc.
The only thing our people love more than war is being told they’re right when their preferred nightly news program gives them excuses for why our country is spending all of our money on war.
Huh, Where are all the hexbear tankies?
For me? Blocked.
Stalin shipped my relatives to the gulag for being elected representatives in Estonia. Fuck hexbear and fuck tankies.
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Lol, so is lemmygrad just full of trolls now? Guess it was inevitable.
I reckon any group of edgy teenagers online could be described as “trolls.”
Maybe. “Edgy” to me implies people trying to emotionally manipulate others into reactions by lambasting or supporting certain viewpoints. But, and this may just be a definitions thing, I don’t think that implies that people who are being edgy don’t believe what they are purporting. Trolls I think though are manipulating completely regardless of their actual views. So maybe trolls are a subset of people who are being edgy.
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Masturbating to the thought of killing innocent civilians and POW’s. You know… Regular conservative shit.
Regular communist shit.
FIFY.
Conservatives are fascist. Not communist.
There’s plenty of conservative communits if you leave the US.
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The people jerking off to Kremlin propaganda are not and never were communists.
They are half astroturfed bots, and half conservatives that started listening to hacks like fucking Maupin before Tucker Carlson got to them.
Absolute wastes of space far right pieces of trash adapting the aesthetics of liberatory politics.
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How you can read a post calling tankies a waste of space as a defense, is very far beyond me.
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Facism relies on authoritarian control of markets and property, it has much more in common with communism.
I think Lemmy.world may have defederated from them. I don’t know though.
They did, it is there under blocked instances
What happened to lemmygrad?
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We can talk about the murderers who are doing this without using racist epithets.
Since when is calling someone an “orc” racist? Lmao
I mean orcs don’t exist in real life?!?!
Edit: also fuck russia
I agree, fuck russia, I despise the Russian army, but calling people of a specific nationality “orcs” feels kinda racist to me, idk
I’ve seen people calling all russians orcs, not just the soldiers, even though I’m sure there are a lot of russians who are opposed to the actions of their government. It feels like it could become another harmful, racist stereotype if we all keep repeating it and defending it.
Like, when the war is over, will Russians still be called orcs?
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It’s an insult, not racism. Just read the dictionary.
I’ll take a middle road here
It’s not good to dehumanize people. Even ones who commit atrocities.
Dehumanization is how we got here, it’s not a good path back, unless we wanna go in circles.
It’s subtle, but important, for us to keep human the worst humans. We need to keep salient that these atrocities are being committed by our own to our own humans. That we are all capable of it.
I agree with you. Furthermore, it’s a step down the path of genocide. If your opponent is not human, why do they deserve human rights? They’re a dangerous animal. You wouldn’t let a dangerous animal live.
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I’m not saying they are. You’re missing the point.
While I do agree with you, the more information that comes out of this war and what Russian soldiers do to the citizens of Ukraine, the less empathy there is.
And I’m empty. After hearing about the rape and murder of men, women, and children by Russian hands.
Fuck em. Those aren’t humans. Those are monsters.
No, they are humans, just like you.
Like it or not, there is nothing within you that is not within them. You are fully capable of commiting those very acts.
Humans are evil. There are no monsters.
Until we can all agree on this, atrocities will continue to occur.
The downvotes just tell me that humans are doomed to repeat history.
The reason you don’t dehumanize people who commit atrocities isn’t (mainly) because they deserve more empathy. It’s because it’s important not to forget that these atrocities are committed by everyday humans. Normal I have a wife and kids, I joined the army as a kid out of high school or after being a warehouse clerk for a few years, I coach soccer in the summers, basic-ass humans.
When we dehumanize people like that it blinds us to the fact normal people can commit atrocities when sufficiently radicalized and trained to dehumanize others. It blinds us to the dangers posed by these ideologies when they’re in their initial stages.
When we dehumanize people like that it also mentally prepares us to accept when atrocities are committed against them, or even to become complicit in doing so.
You don’t humanize them for them. You do it to protect you and everyone you love from the dangers of dehumanizing others.
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lemmy.blahaj.zone
They would also torture you to death.
FACTOS
You need to return to lemmygrad.
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You need to go to russia and leave with your disgusting xenophobia and racism
lol no, get lost tankie
Lol. Lmao, even
Says the one who obviously has a stick up his ass about white people, and uses terms like “White People trash”.
all Russians are gonna learn… you obviously need to accept that… it’s going to be tough for you, because you believe you’re exceptional for some reason… trust me, you will understand something new very soon…
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Sometimes I do think Patton wasn’t an egotistical nutter after all.
1917 the US and other Allies tried to intervene in the Russian Civil War on the side of the White Army.
Churchill argued at length that Russia had to be next after Germany fell. He probably was onto something there.
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Also, the popularity of the Communist Parties in Europe at the time would probably have made such a confrontation quite awkward.
And here’s the defense of Nazis
Can we seriously defed from lemmy.world now, because this is seriously disgusting
I do not see any defense of Nazis in GP’s post. I don’t understand what you are talking about.
Life isn’t so binary and simplistic.
Get used to differing views to your own. You might learn something.
Post about how allying with one evil to destroy another evil when you’re also a bit evil, leaves some evil.
*shocked pikachu* *points finger* yOu’rE sUPpoRtINg eViL
How the fuck is that a defence of Nazis, you redundant muffin?
Redundant muffin is a great insult, thanks for adding it to my vocabulary.
This comment feels so reactionary and so off the mark based on the op comment that I’m not certain this isn’t a bait post… Which I’ve just been hooked by… I should stop talking now.
read again, the comment dunks on the west, Russia and the nazis…
It seems like something that Putin would want.
Yet people still argue russians aren’t barbarian terrorists.
You should be wary of labelling an entire group by the actions of a few.
Do the war crimes committed in Abu Ghrabi make all Americans barbarian terrorists?
While it’s true that it’s not the entirety of the Russian population, there’s still the oligarchs, mercenaries, media outlets, the entire government body, and a fuck ton of the military, all more than happy to fuck over their ex-comrades as soon as they get the green light. I’m pretty sure that’s who we mean when we generalize “Russians”.
As a Latin American, this applies to Americans as well. Much love to a decent part (if not most) of the people there, but FUCK the US for fucking us all over with banana republics, neoliberalism, and red scare shenanigans, only for them to then have the galls to turn out to be xenophobic, warmongering, orangeman-loving fundamentalist pieces of shit.
Anyway, Russia, right. Fuck Putin and his greasy ball of oligarchs.
And the Americans used to be on the side of the Taliban when it suited them in a proxy war with Russia.
The point I’m making is that most people want a quiet and happy life. I know that dehumanising the enemy is a natural part of war, but try to be mindful of that and leave civilians out of it.
And the Americans used to be on the side of the Taliban when it suited them in a proxy war with Russia.
The Mujahideen of the 80s weren’t the Taliban. The Mujahideen-led government of the early 90s was quite explicitly attacked and overthrown by the Taliban, and reformed into the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance, which still existed by the time of our intervention in Afghanistan in 2001.
Abu Ghraib perpetrators went to prison, while this asshole went on TV.
Case in point, you’re making the assumption that all Russians support the killing of these POWs.
Huh, no I’m not? I’m saying the army’s and the media’s reaction to war crimes is better in the west than in Russia. Russian society seems pretty fucked up, but I know that most of individual Russians don’t have a say in it.
russia is a terrorists state. It’s up to russians to change this fact. Until they do, all of them are assisting terrorism.
What a silly response. Americans can’t get their leaders to allow them a minimum living wage, yet this guy wants Russians to topple a terrorist state. Stop with the group labeling. Not everyone has the knowledge / courage / ability / nothing-to-lose attitude that it takes to fight organized government mafia that’s been throwing opponents out of the Kremlin windows without restraint. Let’s give the Russian people the benefit of doubt regarding their intentions, and not call them all terrorists at least.
russians are attempting a genocide upon Ukraine. They are castrating/beheading captured soldiers, murdering/kidnapping/brainwashing Ukrainian children. Until they prove otherwise, russia is a terrorist state and russians are terrorists.
Uff… as much as I think Ukraine is something of a corrupt western puppet, Russia is still, well, Russia. Not a great, humanitarian society.
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In what regard?
Yeah probably. Doesn’t make it ok though.
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man, it’s always a good reminder, that lemmygrad users are literally just Nazis parading around as leftists.
They never seem to bother parading.
Murdering POWs is an inherent part of communism
How is that relevant to the article?
Russia: a capitalist oligarchy, which hasn’t been communist for 30 years.
Wagner Group: A private military/mercenary group/soldiers for hire.
Nothing about the Russo-Ukraine war has anything to do with communism.
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Is the torture that goes on in the USA’s Guantanamo Bay facility “an inherent part of capitalism”?
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Euromaidan is a Ukrainian news site, not a russian one
What does that have to do with the website (Euromaiden Press)?
If anything, they have a slight left-leaning bias, so how are they Nazi website? https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/euromaidan-press/
Go home tankie.
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I’m black fyi so no, I’m not going anywhere, you however will be leaving with your nazi trash
I’m black fyi so no, I’m not going anywhere, you however will be leaving with your nazi trash
What does that have to do with anything?
You accused the website of being Nazi, when it has a left-leaning bias. How does being black make any difference regarding an uninformed opinion like that?
And now we’re defending Nazism on this instance
Great, leave reddit to get away from you racist and now they’re here
Who’s defending russia here? That’s mostly happening on Lemmygrad and Hexbear
What? care to elucidate us on this?
According to Russia, anyone critical or in opposition to Russia is a Nazi.
Sounds kinda like a fascist take on foreign policy, but really is there any actual info about this source being some sort of spawn of evil?
There is not. It‘s simply a strongly pro-Ukrainian website. Russian official propaganda and our tankies call everything that is critical of Russia‘s aggression „Nazism“ or „Fascism“. It is projection in its finest form, and borderline Orwellian.
The two words have lost all meaning in Russian propaganda and are simply used as a placeholder for „enemy“. They don’t seem to realize how absurd that makes them sound.
Well yeah, that is why I called the practice fascist. But I really want them to explain in great detail, it is a great joy to watch the gymnastics.
The only gymnastics here are happening in your head.
Kinda lame gymnastics then, I am still really interested in how this source is associated with the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.
That’s just you burying your head in the sand and not wanting to listen to the truth
Please educate us on this then. All I see so far is basic statements but not even the hint of a theory let alone evidence.
Great point!
Previous poster is doing the modern equivalent of waving the tanks into Prague.
https://forward.com/opinion/552958/why-did-stanford-host-azov-neo-nazis/
I’m posting news, just because you don’t like being called out for supporting Nazis doesn’t mean it isn’t true
https://thegrayzone.com/2018/07/10/ukraine-embassy-israel-arming-nazis-max-blumenthal/
Ukraine joined the Nazi party as did Finland, so it’s no surprise they’re going back to their old habits
Russia allied with the Nazis to invade Poland. No surprise that Russia is going back to their old habits.
The Nazis invaded first and Russia lost many brave soldiers fighting against Nazi trash, looks like you’re a literal Nazi apologist
Russia was allied with the Nazis to invade a country… Looks like you’re a literal Nazi apologist.
You should read a book on the conflict. Here is one but it is not in russian so not sure if you will like it.
“Finland then turned to Nazi Germany for military aid. As the German offensive against the Soviet Union (Operation Barbarossa) approached, the cooperation between the two countries intensified. German troops arrived in Finland and took up positions, mostly in Lapland, from where they would invade the Soviet Union.”
Nice try Nazi
Sure thing, tankie. If calling out the USSR makes me a Nazi then dress me in jackpots and Hugo Boss clothes I guess, despite being first generation Chinese in the US.
So is Finland today a Nazi nation? Does this make France a Nazi nation (well half of it)?
I thought according to russia, Ukraine was never a real nation? Does this mean they are, and are somehow also part of a third reich that never ended?
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What book would you suggest? Also what is a Borderland? Is borderland an invention of convenience or does it have meaning outside the russian federation? Do you think the Soviet Union still exists? Does russia have any claim on Soviet block members? If so why?
To answer your question: no, we don’t
Thanks for the chuckle
