A student killed his father before gunning down at least 15 others at a Prague university, Czech authorities said, adding the gunman had also been “eliminated”.
If you follow the constitution, the right to bear arms is for a well regulated militia. Not for a stressed 18 year old buying an AR-15 at Walmart to shoot up rioters from another state.
Hey don’t cry about unborn babies but be pro school shootings there bud. The founders had single shot musket rifles not semi automatic rifles. If you want to be constructionist then ban the sale of anything other than breach loaders with separate shell and powder charge and have a good day.
You might not like where that logic goes. The Supreme Court took a stance in United States v. Miller (1939) that the NFA’s provisions on short barreled shotguns could be enforced on the basis that it’s not a weapon that would be used by a well-regulated militia.
That brings us to a conclusion that literally nobody likes. The government could ban shorty shotguns and .22 rimfire, because those aren’t militia weapons. It could not ban fully automatic weapons or even rocket launchers.
We have to come up with something.
I am a gun owner.
There are legitimate uses for them.
But a rifle marksman course requirement?
Gun safety classes?
30 day waiting period?
Mental health screening?
Accountability if you buy it for someone else who uses it to commit violence?
Anything?
Something has to stop the senseless violence.
I know that it won’t stop it.
People in Brittain use knives… Acid in the middle east.
The difference there is that the harm is limited to a few people and not these mass casualty events.
If people learned how to defend themselves and then also everyone knew how to use them suddenly gun culture changes and it’s like a tool instead of a status symbol. If you don’t want to serve, there are non-combat roles. If you don’t like it then hey maybe you should invent bullet proof kids.
Mandatory conscription is probably my most “out there” political belief. I think the benefits would be vast! I don’t think it would prevent mass shootings in America, though.
Conscription doesn’t mean war.
It means being prepared.
And yes maybe we could be more prepared to deal with this stupidity and remove the gun culture if it wasn’t special anymore.
I think one of the benefits would be less war since every citizen would be personally affected by it. Also all the public works and infrastructure. And healthcare. It could be great! Maybe it would help with all the “lonely men” culture that we hear so much about, and likely plays into some of the gun culture. I guess we’ll never know since that won’t happen here, though.
I would like to hear about the killers psychology and motivation (don’t care about the fuckers name) and what is being done to prevent such motivation from manifesting again.
We don’t often talk about this in the limelight, but it’s important. We need to understand how they got here if we want to have any hope of reducing the odds of that happening again.
I don’t blame USA. I blame European media that keep reporting shootings in USA. If Americans don’t have any interest in addressing this issue why even talk about it here? We can’t do anything about it and all it does is give stupid ideas to our nutters. It’s not like we can send aid or influence policies in USA. I guess it could be relevant to someone who wants to travel there but that’s what travel advisories are for. Let’s just pretend they are not happening, like Americans do.
Police said the gunman was inspired by “a terrible event abroad”. In one post, he cited a 14-year-old Russian school shooter who killed one classmate and wounded five others as an inspiration.>
wow, that one in russia was just a few weeks ago. it’s crazy to me how that event could be inspiring enough to motivate someone in a different country. no target of vengeance or grandiose idealism necessary.
Czech media reported that Kozak authored social media posts in which he indulged in fantasies of suicide and mass murders in the days before the attacks.
I don’t want to ruin internet privacy, but who has ideas on how to handle this better? I feel like if someone’s posting “I wanna do a mass shooting” something should happen. I don’t want the state or private enterprise to be able to abuse that, though.
I have long thought that the police as an institution in the US is, shall we say, not good.
One time I was walking home from the grocery and I saw a couple having a screaming fight on the street. The guy had taken the woman’s phone from her and was holding it up out of her reach. I thought to myself, “Someone should probably do something… but who? And what?”
If I had called the police, it’s incredibly unlikely it would have gone well. The people fighting weren’t white, for one thing. The cops would probably roll up, throw their authority around, and get violent. Possibly murder the guy. Not what you want. Even if they didn’t do violence immediately, subjecting that guy to the criminal justice system is not what you want, either.
In my imagination there should be a department of deescalation specialists. No guns. No arrest powers. Maybe some snacks.
But yeah, policing in the US is a tragedy at pretty much every level.
Back on topic, responsibility could maybe fall onto the platform. There are suicide prevention services. Maybe there could be mass shooting prevention services.
In my imagination there should be a department of deescalation specialists. No guns. No arrest powers. Maybe some snacks.
As a teacher, I had to do home visits for every student in my homeroom. Two families threatened to kill me. One by siccing their dogs on me, the other by just shooting me. The entire purpose of my visit was just to meet them and let them know I care about their kids
What do you do when these de-escalation specialists go to talk to a person who is crazy-posting, and have their lives threatened?
I don’t ask this facetiously. I think this is a good idea. But these workers will run into situations like this, and more to the point, opponents of these programs will definitely bring this sort of thing up when trying to sway public opinion.
Some of the earliest modern police forces in the US were slave patrols in the south. In the north, Boston was the first city to have a modern professional force. It grew out of a system where private companies were hiring their own security to protect their cargo in the Boston port, and offloaded that cost onto the public.
Professional, publicly funded policing in the US has long been there to protect the interests of the powerful.
That would help with mass shootings, very likely, yes. I feel like there’s also things we (or various platforms) could do to address the parent category of mass murder
Yes. The solution is not to curb netneutrality and online discourse though. But to have a better social net and family support that can catch individuals like these or prevent them completely.
And Czehia has or had these. Which is why the rate of mass shootings, with a country that actually allows people to own guns, is much lower than in the country where that has virtually no support and more lax gun laws.
tbh america and domestic mass shootings are pretty much synonymous at this point. this time (this one rare time) an immediate association with the us seems appropriate.
Considering that mass shootings aren’t a common thing in the Western world as a whole, that isn’t really relevant. One is more than most countries in the West have had in decades.
Absolutely. I just think that it’s silly to draw attention to guns being easily attainable in this context, when there have been so many more mass shootings in other European countries.
The timeline for the shootings seems like it’s that economic fuckery and downturns precede upticks in shootings. It is very alarming that there has been three of them this year.
There’s one every few years in almost every country.
The difference is it’s not a mass shooting per week… This doesn’t help your argument as much as you think it does.
Edit: also the joke is most developed countries are allowed to own guns to some extent, a total ban is only what your side tells you to keep your support.
I actually wrote “good” first, but then I realized that left way too much to interpretation, and quickly changed it to “permissive”, “liberal” never entered my train of thought.
Here’s your spoonfed quote literally pulled from the article to go with your dipshit comment.
Czech Republic has some of the most liberal gun laws in Europe.
There are more than 800,000 firearms of all categories registered among 300,000 gun permit holders in the country, which has a population of about 10.5 million people, writes Ella Nunn.
It is one of the only nations in the world - and the only one in Europe - that provides the constitutional right to bear arms.
Concealed-carry permits for self-defence can be obtained by Czech citizens without presenting specific reasons and recreational shooting is one of the most popular sports in the country.
I’m sure if you had the patience, literacy, and weren’t currently struggling with your mental capacity to make it this far down my comment to read this much, you’d probably feel a bit like an asshole to try to make this nightmarish story into your opportunity to talk about needing more guns on the street. Alas, I’m currently speaking into the void cuz your head is likely still buried just far enough up your own ass for you to enjoy the smell of your own farts while searching for your next astounding comment. The people you hear crying aren’t the ones you triggered with your unhinged comment, it’s the sound of everyone who cares about you. We’re all really concerned about you and are worried you’d suffocate were it not for how much you laugh at your own heartless comments.
Gun laws in the Czech Republic in many respects differ from those in other European Union member states. The “right to acquire, keep and bear firearms” is explicitly recognized in the first Article of the Firearms Act. At the constitutional level, the Charter of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms includes the “right to defend one’s own life or life of another person also with arms under conditions stipulated by law”.
I really wish we could get actual apples to apples “mass shooting” comparisons. Everything from the site you linked to Wikipedia has been restructured to help make the argument that the US has tons of “mass shootings.”
In this particular case it’s something that happened at 3 in the morning outside of a bar… Gang or not it was probably more drunken brawl where someone pulled a gun and things went bad fast.
That’s pretty different from some person going to a university, a school, a public event, and unloading on anyone they see with intent to inflict as many casualties as possible on someone that they’ve never even spoken a word to … which is what I remember a “mass shooting” meaning up until recently. And that shit doesn’t happen 23 times in a single month. It happens a few times a year which given the size of the US is much more comparable (granted I think still elevated) when compared to European mass shootings.
Quit making bad faith arguments to defend the US, our gun crimes are super preventable.
It’s not bad faith unless it’s actually bad faith. An argument you don’t agree with and you have evidence against isn’t automatically bad faith.
I’d forgotten Sweden in general has such a low murder rate. But I mean, the closest state in terms of population is North Carolina.
In 2021 they had 991 murders of any kind, with 748 of those involving a gun, that’s 243 without a gun. Sweden had 113 murders total. Even if nobody died by a gun, North Carolina had more than double the murders.
The point was comparing apples to oranges “mass shootings” that count any shooting with more than 1-2 people involved in the US vs “mass shootings” via the “traditional” “mass shooting” that involves a random gunman in a public place shooting a crowd or a school … isn’t really a helpful comparison.
If we want to keep diluting that point. Of all of the gun deaths involved in homicide, handguns make up nearly 2/3 of the gun deaths. Nobody in the conversation is talking about doing anything about handguns.
In all of these cases though, you know what Sweden has that the US doesn’t? Universal healthcare… Which probably plays a role.
The US also has states like New Hampshire where with a population of 1.4 million there were 9 murders involving guns in 2021. Hawaii similarly has 1.4 million people and had 1 murder involving a gun in 2021. What’s especially interesting there is New Hampshire has very permissive laws while Hawaii has more restrictive laws.
I’m not saying gun crime isn’t preventable but the conversation about how to prevent it is missing a lot of nuance. The right needs to at least back mental health measures and the police need to make sure they’re enforcing the laws already on the books (which might have prevented the Maine shooting). Having no guns in the country at all would certainly remove the gun crime problem as well but it wouldn’t necessarily remove the murder problem. Mass shootings are a special case of the US violent crime spectrum that may or may not need special treatment.
I just want to stop comparing apples to oranges. If the case is “US mass shootings are out of control and we need an assault weapons ban” make the case without distorting the statistics and inflating them to include conflicts that the average person wouldn’t consider a “mass shooting.”
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Switzerland does well with guns.
In Switzerland, everyone is trained to use guns
I don’t think lack of training was this guys issue.
Switzerland also has heavily regulated ammunition. You can’t just go to the store and buy some bullets, like in Czechia
Like Chris Rocks stand up. Charge more for the bullets and people will think more about killing. paraphrase
Very true
Swiss:
vs Czech:
source
The Swiss solution really is what should be followed.
The solution to allow gun ownership is conscription?
No thanks.
If you follow the constitution, the right to bear arms is for a well regulated militia. Not for a stressed 18 year old buying an AR-15 at Walmart to shoot up rioters from another state.
Yes totally forgot about that the people part…go read some federalist papers and a few history books the 2nd is for the people not the militia.
Hey don’t cry about unborn babies but be pro school shootings there bud. The founders had single shot musket rifles not semi automatic rifles. If you want to be constructionist then ban the sale of anything other than breach loaders with separate shell and powder charge and have a good day.
You might not like where that logic goes. The Supreme Court took a stance in United States v. Miller (1939) that the NFA’s provisions on short barreled shotguns could be enforced on the basis that it’s not a weapon that would be used by a well-regulated militia.
That brings us to a conclusion that literally nobody likes. The government could ban shorty shotguns and .22 rimfire, because those aren’t militia weapons. It could not ban fully automatic weapons or even rocket launchers.
We have to come up with something. I am a gun owner. There are legitimate uses for them. But a rifle marksman course requirement? Gun safety classes? 30 day waiting period? Mental health screening? Accountability if you buy it for someone else who uses it to commit violence? Anything?
Something has to stop the senseless violence.
I know that it won’t stop it.
People in Brittain use knives… Acid in the middle east.
The difference there is that the harm is limited to a few people and not these mass casualty events.
If people learned how to defend themselves and then also everyone knew how to use them suddenly gun culture changes and it’s like a tool instead of a status symbol. If you don’t want to serve, there are non-combat roles. If you don’t like it then hey maybe you should invent bullet proof kids.
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The only way someone should be allowed to own a gun is after rigorous training, like in the military.
Only then do you have “good guy with a gun”
Thanks, funniest comment today
So the problem was this guy wasn’t trained enough?
Mandatory conscription is probably my most “out there” political belief. I think the benefits would be vast! I don’t think it would prevent mass shootings in America, though.
Conscription doesn’t mean war. It means being prepared. And yes maybe we could be more prepared to deal with this stupidity and remove the gun culture if it wasn’t special anymore.
I think one of the benefits would be less war since every citizen would be personally affected by it. Also all the public works and infrastructure. And healthcare. It could be great! Maybe it would help with all the “lonely men” culture that we hear so much about, and likely plays into some of the gun culture. I guess we’ll never know since that won’t happen here, though.
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I bet those dead university students enjoyed all that constitutional freedom.
I would like to hear about the killers psychology and motivation (don’t care about the fuckers name) and what is being done to prevent such motivation from manifesting again.
We don’t often talk about this in the limelight, but it’s important. We need to understand how they got here if we want to have any hope of reducing the odds of that happening again.
My guess he’d just copying stuff he saw on TV. We copied many other things from US culture like Halloween and bad food, now time for mass shootings.
Came to the comments for the ‘blame USA’ and was not disappointed.
Own your own policy flaws. Own your own nutters.
I don’t blame USA. I blame European media that keep reporting shootings in USA. If Americans don’t have any interest in addressing this issue why even talk about it here? We can’t do anything about it and all it does is give stupid ideas to our nutters. It’s not like we can send aid or influence policies in USA. I guess it could be relevant to someone who wants to travel there but that’s what travel advisories are for. Let’s just pretend they are not happening, like Americans do.
From the article:
wow, that one in russia was just a few weeks ago. it’s crazy to me how that event could be inspiring enough to motivate someone in a different country. no target of vengeance or grandiose idealism necessary.
That takes time to find out, give it a few days.
From the article:
I don’t want to ruin internet privacy, but who has ideas on how to handle this better? I feel like if someone’s posting “I wanna do a mass shooting” something should happen. I don’t want the state or private enterprise to be able to abuse that, though.
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I have long thought that the police as an institution in the US is, shall we say, not good.
One time I was walking home from the grocery and I saw a couple having a screaming fight on the street. The guy had taken the woman’s phone from her and was holding it up out of her reach. I thought to myself, “Someone should probably do something… but who? And what?”
If I had called the police, it’s incredibly unlikely it would have gone well. The people fighting weren’t white, for one thing. The cops would probably roll up, throw their authority around, and get violent. Possibly murder the guy. Not what you want. Even if they didn’t do violence immediately, subjecting that guy to the criminal justice system is not what you want, either.
In my imagination there should be a department of deescalation specialists. No guns. No arrest powers. Maybe some snacks.
But yeah, policing in the US is a tragedy at pretty much every level.
Back on topic, responsibility could maybe fall onto the platform. There are suicide prevention services. Maybe there could be mass shooting prevention services.
As a teacher, I had to do home visits for every student in my homeroom. Two families threatened to kill me. One by siccing their dogs on me, the other by just shooting me. The entire purpose of my visit was just to meet them and let them know I care about their kids
What do you do when these de-escalation specialists go to talk to a person who is crazy-posting, and have their lives threatened?
I don’t ask this facetiously. I think this is a good idea. But these workers will run into situations like this, and more to the point, opponents of these programs will definitely bring this sort of thing up when trying to sway public opinion.
I legit don’t have an answer.
Some of the earliest modern police forces in the US were slave patrols in the south. In the north, Boston was the first city to have a modern professional force. It grew out of a system where private companies were hiring their own security to protect their cargo in the Boston port, and offloaded that cost onto the public.
Professional, publicly funded policing in the US has long been there to protect the interests of the powerful.
The solution is to remove access to firearms capable of rapid rates of fire from the general public.
That would help with mass shootings, very likely, yes. I feel like there’s also things we (or various platforms) could do to address the parent category of mass murder
Yes. The solution is not to curb netneutrality and online discourse though. But to have a better social net and family support that can catch individuals like these or prevent them completely.
And Czehia has or had these. Which is why the rate of mass shootings, with a country that actually allows people to own guns, is much lower than in the country where that has virtually no support and more lax gun laws.
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If this was sort of generalized, we sell bumper stickers like that. There’s a post on active with one.
probably, this is a price for freedom
You can’t have absolute freedom in a civilized society. That idea is also self-contradictory when your freedom causes others to lose theirs.
“Foree-dumb”
Coward…
America continues to be global leader in exporting culture
Love the innovation! It’s not easy making everything about America, but by god people always find a way!
tbh america and domestic mass shootings are pretty much synonymous at this point. this time (this one rare time) an immediate association with the us seems appropriate.
It was inspired by a Russian mass shooting according to the actual article… let’s stop being ignorant
which in no way nullifies the overwhelming figures seen in the us.
This is one of the scariest pictures I’ve seen in my life
I believe that’s a cop pictured in the thumbnailEdit: I’m wrong! I misread
Read the article, it’s not
misread & saw his other photo which looked super different. ty!
A blurry picture of a man with a gun? Ooh spoOOOOooky.
The blurrier the scarier
My condolences to the families.
Hope they’ll figure out how to never make it happen again.
And yes, for God’s sake, ban firearms.
Doc ock?
Lots of talk about them allowing guns, as if that’s what caused this, but let’s look at the big picture…
Countries that allow guns have massively more gun deaths, that shouldn’t be surprising
Edit: it’s worth noting that the US has had more mass shootings this year than the entire history of Europe apparently, according to that list.
According to that list? Mass shootings in Europe are extremely rare.
I’m not arguing that fact, my point is just that more guns will always result in more mass shootings. Guns should not be a right.
Then why aren’t there any other mass shootings in the Czech Republic?
Considering that mass shootings aren’t a common thing in the Western world as a whole, that isn’t really relevant. One is more than most countries in the West have had in decades.
There were 2 others in the last decade or so
Absolutely. I just think that it’s silly to draw attention to guns being easily attainable in this context, when there have been so many more mass shootings in other European countries.
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You are correct. People kill people. With guns
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The timeline for the shootings seems like it’s that economic fuckery and downturns precede upticks in shootings. It is very alarming that there has been three of them this year.
Four. The “Serbia” entry is two shootings.
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Which bullshit? Trying to have a discussion?
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That this is an outlier for the Czech Republic does rather point to the fact that the American domestic terrorists are primarily a cultural problem.
And we do love exporting our culture.
There’s one every few years in almost every country.
The difference is it’s not a mass shooting per week… This doesn’t help your argument as much as you think it does.
Edit: also the joke is most developed countries are allowed to own guns to some extent, a total ban is only what your side tells you to keep your support.
You mean per day.
Let’s use SI units. Per second.
Damn dude, literally couldn’t google what the gun laws in Czech Republic are.
Well that’s why it’s actually news worthy… in the US it would just be another normal day.
Czechia has quite permissive gun laws iirc
You could say liberal gun laws but that would have confused them so I thank you for your word choice
I actually wrote “good” first, but then I realized that left way too much to interpretation, and quickly changed it to “permissive”, “liberal” never entered my train of thought.
Probably not for long.
Here’s your spoonfed quote literally pulled from the article to go with your dipshit comment.
I’m sure if you had the patience, literacy, and weren’t currently struggling with your mental capacity to make it this far down my comment to read this much, you’d probably feel a bit like an asshole to try to make this nightmarish story into your opportunity to talk about needing more guns on the street. Alas, I’m currently speaking into the void cuz your head is likely still buried just far enough up your own ass for you to enjoy the smell of your own farts while searching for your next astounding comment. The people you hear crying aren’t the ones you triggered with your unhinged comment, it’s the sound of everyone who cares about you. We’re all really concerned about you and are worried you’d suffocate were it not for how much you laugh at your own heartless comments.
I don’t know why you thought that. They’re not.
Why did you think that?
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting we’ve had 23 mass shootings in the US in December alone.
I really wish we could get actual apples to apples “mass shooting” comparisons. Everything from the site you linked to Wikipedia has been restructured to help make the argument that the US has tons of “mass shootings.”
Take this entry near me from that list you linked https://www.cleveland19.com/2023/12/04/cleveland-police-more-than-dozen-people-shot-several-stabbed-over-weekend/
The 4 people shot, there’s no context as to whether that was random, gang violence, stray bullets in a conflict, etc. This sort of thing almost definitely happens outside of the US, e.g., https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisakim/2021/10/22/swedens-brutal-gang-problem-heres-what-officials-blame-it-on/?sh=6bb1d29fa281
In this particular case it’s something that happened at 3 in the morning outside of a bar… Gang or not it was probably more drunken brawl where someone pulled a gun and things went bad fast.
That’s pretty different from some person going to a university, a school, a public event, and unloading on anyone they see with intent to inflict as many casualties as possible on someone that they’ve never even spoken a word to … which is what I remember a “mass shooting” meaning up until recently. And that shit doesn’t happen 23 times in a single month. It happens a few times a year which given the size of the US is much more comparable (granted I think still elevated) when compared to European mass shootings.
Bro, come on. Sweden has a population of 10.42 million and they had a drop in gun violence from 62 homicides in 2022 to 42 in 2023. https://www.statista.com/chart/30946/annual-number-of-fatal-shootings-in-sweden/
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/10/31/1209683893/how-the-u-s-gun-violence-death-rate-compares-with-the-rest-of-the-world It’s not even a close comparison.
Quit making bad faith arguments to defend the US, our gun crimes are super preventable.
It’s not bad faith unless it’s actually bad faith. An argument you don’t agree with and you have evidence against isn’t automatically bad faith.
I’d forgotten Sweden in general has such a low murder rate. But I mean, the closest state in terms of population is North Carolina.
In 2021 they had 991 murders of any kind, with 748 of those involving a gun, that’s 243 without a gun. Sweden had 113 murders total. Even if nobody died by a gun, North Carolina had more than double the murders.
The point was comparing apples to oranges “mass shootings” that count any shooting with more than 1-2 people involved in the US vs “mass shootings” via the “traditional” “mass shooting” that involves a random gunman in a public place shooting a crowd or a school … isn’t really a helpful comparison.
If we want to keep diluting that point. Of all of the gun deaths involved in homicide, handguns make up nearly 2/3 of the gun deaths. Nobody in the conversation is talking about doing anything about handguns.
In all of these cases though, you know what Sweden has that the US doesn’t? Universal healthcare… Which probably plays a role.
The US also has states like New Hampshire where with a population of 1.4 million there were 9 murders involving guns in 2021. Hawaii similarly has 1.4 million people and had 1 murder involving a gun in 2021. What’s especially interesting there is New Hampshire has very permissive laws while Hawaii has more restrictive laws.
I’m not saying gun crime isn’t preventable but the conversation about how to prevent it is missing a lot of nuance. The right needs to at least back mental health measures and the police need to make sure they’re enforcing the laws already on the books (which might have prevented the Maine shooting). Having no guns in the country at all would certainly remove the gun crime problem as well but it wouldn’t necessarily remove the murder problem. Mass shootings are a special case of the US violent crime spectrum that may or may not need special treatment.
I just want to stop comparing apples to oranges. If the case is “US mass shootings are out of control and we need an assault weapons ban” make the case without distorting the statistics and inflating them to include conflicts that the average person wouldn’t consider a “mass shooting.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://www.statista.com/statistics/301603/murder-involving-firearms-us/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/533917/sweden-number-of-homicides/
https://abcnews.go.com/US/type-gun-us-homicides-ar-15/story?id=78689504
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Hampshire
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Hawaii
Another uneducated American haha.