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On X, political commentator Ed Krassenstein, a frequent Trump critic, commented on the change of opinion about polling numbers among the former president’s supporters.
“MAGA is breaking down. They are back to calling the polls fake just because they don’t reflect what they want them to say,” Krassenstein wrote. “It’s funny how they touted the polls when Trump was up.”
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He’s preparing his base for another January 6th.
Has been for 4 years now. It’s so frustrating to watch play out in front of our eyes.
When he picked JD Vance he thought for sure he was going to win and almost certainly would have.
Nah, I hate this narrative. I’m sure he thought he would win, but I think it would have been pretty close with Biden ultimately prevailing. We’ll never know now. But saying Trump was a lock is ridiculous.
Not after that debate where Biden looked like shit. You gotta remember how fucking little normies pay attention to politics. That debate was probably the first time most of them had seen Joe Biden in a long ass time, and he looked bad.
It would be as simple as “I’d better vote for the one who’s not gonna die in office”; which is honestly the stupidest take imaginable, but they have been defunding our schools for 60 years so what did you expect?
You gotta remember how fucking little normies pay attention to politics.
i’m learning from my interactions from lemmy.world that this statement defines so much of what’s wrong.
… they have been defunding our schools for 60 years so what did you expect?
i think this is one the reasons why and i also think that there are other just/almost-as-big reasons as evidenced by roughly 1/4 of my 1st-generation-american college-educated extended-family members loving trump; and somehow it’s mostly the boomer & gen-x aged ones while the millenials and gen-z vote the other way.
I had and still do have a gut feeling it won’t be close and Trump gets shit stomped. Probably just high on hopium, but while the media had been talking about his leads, I just got more vibes that he didn’t have the same support and his voter base has been shrinking. Biden wasn’t inspiring, but I don’t think trump gained more supporters over the past 4 years, and I don’t think Biden had lost many. If people show up and vote, Trump will lose. With the new spark in the Dem candidacy, I expect an ass kicking barring something happening over the next few months.
It’s still early to be optimistic but I agree with you. The whole country has seen and knows what Trump is, he is no longer an unknown quantity. He’s not an outsider fighting the system and a competent businessman like people thought he would be in 2016. The Clintons and their baggage are also out of the picture and dems are rallying behind the energy that Kamala has brought. There’s a reason why Trump and his camp are panicking.
Anyone who thought Trump was a competent businessman had not been actually paying attention.
Honestly, the numbers through the years have shown that when people show up to vote, the Dems win. That’s literally all it takes. Everyone going to vote.
I do think his base has grown with previously non-voting incel types. I have some young male relatives who paid no attention in 16 or 20 who are all in on maga now. The grievance shtick seems to really speak to them.
It’s the same token on the other side though. Plenty of new empathetic left voters too. My youngest brother and all his friends are that way.
Good. Make sure they vote
Good to hear!
Dems really need to address what is driving people to the GQP somehow. There has to be something other then just hate motivating these people.
It feels like they all expected life to neatly fall into place, and when it didn’t they latched on to any narrative that externalized the blame in a way that gave them permission to lash out. Can’t get a girlfriend? Must be the epidemic of miserable crazy cat ladies. Can’t get a promotion? Must be all the DEI policies. The hate i think they use to shore up their fragile self esteem.
Even when he wins, he still casts doubt on the system. Just look at his whining about Hillary in 2017.
Yup. For the last few months it’s been nothing but “Biden is old and loves open borders,” but when Kamala starts to pull ahead it’s, “be on the lookout for runaway fraud”.
Yeah, we should have been revving up the fraud engine when Biden was decaying in front of our eyes on national television. Setting it up only after we switch to a young active candidate who gives people hope for a change seems kind of unnecessary.
hopi g this time with an American in the white house anyone approaching the capitol will be met with 20mm cannonfire.
Honest question, as a non-American.
Surely any and all secret services will be fully prepared this time, and if some MAGA nutjobs were to try it would result in an absolute massacre, right?
Would they be dumb enough to try? I know that you’re all armed to the teeth, but the US Army and Secret Service versus a bunch of cousin-fucking redneck bois is likely to end up in the former winning pretty handily.
See, you’d think. But unfortunately, as an old song once put it: some of those who work forces are the same who burn crosses
I think you’re right. The last one only kinda almost worked bc bloated mussolini was calling the shots behind deployment of security forces like the national guard. Next time meal team 6 won’t just be waltzing past an overwhelmed few capitol police.
Remember that fascists think of their enemy as being both weak and strong at the same time. This gives them a blind spot where they’re incapable of weighing their enemy’s true strength.
They’ll try, but they’re not as strong as they think they are. The number of Trump voters actually willing to get violent isn’t very big. Could get very bloody in a short period of time, but they’ll ultimately lose.
I think the bigger issue this time is the potential for distributing the violence to smaller markets, so to speak - polling places, county clerk’s offices, secretaries of state, even state houses when they vote to certify their state results.
He’s preparing his base for another January 6th.
Let’s bring stochastic terrorism back into the parlance.
That’s too sloppy. They’re gonna go for thing where it goes to, I forget if it was a house of reps vote or where each state gets a singular vote.
The electoral system? (Each state is supposed to get a number of votes based on their population)
If the election is contested, then there are “backup” protocols that are different than than the normal electoral college. I don’t recall if the “backup” protocol was a simple vote in the House of Representatives, or that each state gets a single vote. Trump kinda tried last time but didn’t have the support.
If a states count is contested, it’s voted on by the house on if the count goes back to the state and redone. If the numbers aren’t ratified by the deadline, the backup is the chain of succession until it is ratified. This means that the house speaker is acting president until they finalize the winner.
Great, Mike Johnson.
I stopped following the musical chairs for my own mental health. Is that who was settled on?
Yes, current GOP speaker of the house. He’s a nutjob but has been reaching across to the Dems so the maga Reps don’t get to shut everything down.
No he’s not. They won’t need to storm the capitol because he will already have stolen the votes.
A lot harder to steal the votes when you’re not already sitting in the oval office
They’re never fake when he’s ahead, tho’.
Weird.
Weren’t they “fake” in 2016 and 2020 too? The man has such a limited vocabulary, no wonder he appeals to morons.
It was widely reported at the time, but vocabulary analysis put him at about 8th grader level.
That’s a surprisingly in-depth analysis, appreciated. Donnie’s brain has been rotting for almost seven additional years now, and the loud noises coming out of his face hole have only become less impressive. It’s safe to say he never made it out of middle school.
They might feel like they were right in 2016 given Trump ultimately did win the election (despite losing popular vote).
The polls were correct in that Clinton won the popular vote. They were wrong on the electoral college outcome, but that came down to several states with razor thin margins being decided well under any margin of error for polls.
A lot of people believed they were wrong. They were pretty damn right, but humans suck at statistics. Hence the reason Vegas exists as a tourist destination.
that’s how you win an electrician. by faking poles
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I’m positive that’s along the lines of their thinking. However, your guess is negative.
I thought you just won electricians by being flirtatious on the job site.
How does one win an electrician and why would you want one? Their upkeep is very expensive, have you priced a new Fluke meter lately? And they tend to lose them regularly too.
This is the best aneurysm I’ve ever read
Funny how the polls were “hugely precise” when they favored him.
The melting mango is losing his shit. I don’t think his ticker can take the stress, especially considering it’s fueled mostly with hamberders. I’m calling it now-- if he loses the Nov election he’ll have a heart attack within 6 months.
My money is on a massive stroke and noone actually recognizes it because the new word salad is just like the old word salad
His face drooping wouldn’t be new either
The only thing going on that’s fake, is him.
Is being an “Orangicist” a thing? I think I’m that.
Survived a gunshot, killed by the polls less than a month later.
What a weak shitheel.
Oh man, he is big mad (and kinda obviously scared), and that makes me quite happy.
If Trump wins electoral but loses popular again there better be fucking riots
Trumps brain at any given moment: If it is critical of me it must be ____________ 1. Fake 2. A hoax 3. A lie 4. Socialist 5. Communist 6. Horrible. 7. Random noises 8. China 9. Change the topic
Trump: Looks at Venezuela. “Wait! If I get my cronies in charge of counting the vote and they declare me winner even if it doesn’t match the polls, people aren’t going to believe it? Well, I better start denigrate the polls!”
Real electoral maps and fake polls below (note electoral maps will become fake if they show any tinge of orange falling behind):
2024 Election Poll Aggregators, Aggregated (August 6, 2024) - Harris vs. Trump
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Gotta plug electoral-vote.com Aggregators of ev polling. Lefty as hell in commentary, but dead neutral in the math.
Credit @saigot for catching my screwup, edited to correct url.
I think you mistyped, that domain is up for sale.
No, I just straight-up messed it up. Electoral-vote.com
Yeah, I’m a fan of web 1.0. Everything went off the rails after that. ;)
Ol wrinkled pussy cant be a self responsible adult enough to just roll with the punches
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They are back to calling the polls fake just because they don’t reflect what they want them to say,” Krassenstein wrote. “It’s funny how they touted the polls when Trump was up.”
To be fair, before Biden stepped down all the neoliberals called polls fake. And as soon as they started showing Kamala in the lead they act like they’ve always trusted polls.
The far right of both parties are remarkably similar, and shouldn’t be running either party.
all the neoliberals called polls fake.
No they didn’t. I’ve literally never once experienced that except from a conservative who is losing.
“Fuck polls” is not the same as “polls are fake”. In one, it’s being suggested they’re not always a great data source so vote regardless. In the other, it’s suggested “they are made up to manipulate the public because everyone persecutes us.”
Nobody on the left was saying the polls were fake because they skewed left. They were saying the polls were unreliable because they skew right toward older voters who answer phone calls and polling questions. But also regardless polls aren’t votes and a lot of people sleep on politics until immediately before voting.
Polls generally are skewed towards older conservatives - millennials and younger would rather stab out their own eyes than answer a pollster.
That’s not how polls work. If they get disproportionately fewer responses from millennials, they weight their responses to account for the actual number of millennials. They don’t just give every responder equal weight and assume there are simply fewer millennials.
If done properly, yes. But even then, you can’t account for all the fundamental demographic biases in people who respond vs don’t. As always, the only poll that matters is the election.
It would be just peachy if You could give us some examples.
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Lol, this guy again. Talking his bullshit but not backing it up.
