• @vala
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    The US is at least 40 years removed from any kind of real electronics manufacturing at scale.

    This kind of thing takes generational knowledge to get right and we outsourced that knowledge a long time ago.

    We are now several generations from being able to manufacture electronics on the level.

    Either trump has no idea how anything works or he’s actively trying to destroy the American economy.

  • @WrenFeathers
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    They’ll blame democrats for the price increases. Bet me.

  • @UnderpantsWeevil
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    Seeing a stark void of “Fuck China” posts all of a sudden. Crazy what happens when the treat train gets held up at the border.

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      They already have been. China has been working at circumventing restrictions by basically offloading raw materials or parts to Mexico and having them build the product to ship to the US.

  • @Dr_Box
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    Brought this up to a friend who is very pro Trump and he said

    “Part of trying to get industry back in the country (which we would be better off with) involves making imports less appealing.”

    • @HappycamperNZ
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      Yes it does.

      Do you know why we outsourced everything to China? Because they can do it cheaper.

      You can get it back, have it higher quality, more jobs, better control over it, all that good stuff. But it won’t be cheaper.

      The US sells things they can make comparatively cheaper (not just price, its an opportunity cost) - better educated population, logistic, access to raw material, infrastructure investments. China sells things they can do cheaper - usually the fact that life is cheap in China.

    • @Yokozuna
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      These people have no concept of geo politics and global trade. For example, we produce a lot of the world’s soy, that’s a major export, not many other countries do it on a large scale like that - so we cut the other countries some slack and tell them we won’t produce this particular good so you can have a hand in the global economy. Yes having the production here would be ideal as I’m all for it, but the world is so much more than Murica and they can’t see past their fucking noses.

    • toomanypancakes
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      Just be sure to remind him at every opportunity that he voted for things to be more expensive.

      • @Frozengyro
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        Current import price: 80

        Current USA made price: 100

        Tariff import price: 200

        Tariff USA made price: 190

    • @[email protected]
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      Trump is banking on foreign companies moving their operations to the US. There’s also a high chance that Trump actually won’t do anything. The guy talks a lot.

  • @SomeGuy69
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    I hate this because for Europe it will become expensive too, just for the heck of it.

    • Wild Bill
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      Do his tariffs affect exports to the EU as well? Idk economics and I wanna buy a Framework laprop next year

      • If country A sells most of an export to country B and country B makes it harder for country A to sell to country B, country A may raise prices for countries C, D and E to make up for the losses caused by country B.

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          So what I’m hearing is, we should all be very mad with the Americans?

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            A bit over a half of them, yeah. (I do realise that voters aren’t 100% of the population but)

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          Could country A try to decrease exports to country B and increase exports to country C, D, and E, perhaps by lowering the cost in C, D, and E?

          I don’t have any evidence for, and this document is just too long for me to read at this late hour. [IMF - Macroeconomic Consequences of Tariffs](Macroeconomic Consequences of Tariffs. https://www.imf.org/-/media/Files/Publications/WP/2019/wp1909.ashx)

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    It will at least be extremely funny to watch all the right wing gamer bro chuds freak the fuck out when an immediate consequence of their actions will be that gaming pc components instantly inflate 50% in price.

    Glad I already got my Steam Deck, fuck.

    • snooggums
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      Bold of you to assune they won’t just blame Dems because it isn’t like reality matters.

      • r00ty
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        20 years into the trump dynasty dictatorship, they will still be saying “thanks Biden” to every financial inconvenience.

        • @SuperIce
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          They still blame Obama

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        I just said they would freak out.

        Who they end up blaming is between them and their god emperor, I guess.

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        Fuck the dems, too. Less people voted this election, than the last election. People didn’t bother to go vote that should have.

    • @_bcron_
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      If you think that’s funny just wait for all the construction bros to discover that Milwaukee is now a Chinese company and their M18 HD12 batteries suddenly cost >500 a pop

      • @Mirshe
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        And automotive guys figuring out a good chunk of their replacement parts are European.

        • @_bcron_
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          Oh, that too. Most of these compact SUVs are built foreign because that’s where they generate the most revenue. Imagine hitting a pheasant in your Chevy, a pheasant of all things, and getting a 10k insurance estimate because it cracked your made-in-Mexico integrated LED headlamp assembly and split your bumper cover

    • macniel
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      but but… Orange men said it was good for the economy, now I have to pay 2000 Dollars for a 5090? Why aren’t they coming to America and produce here!?

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        Good luck spending 3000$+ on RTX 5090 graphics brick

        • rand_alpha19
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          Oh, the thing Trump called “so bad” on Joe Rogan a couple weeks ago? He said that tariffs are his preferred strategy to force companies to build in the US. Maybe that was just rhetoric and you can’t trust it, but he did say it.

          As it stands, CHIPS isn’t going anywhere, so at least Americans won’t be totally fucked.

          • @[email protected]
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            Its a pretty strategically and economically impactful piece of legislation pushed by, and then signed into law, by Biden, in 2022.

            It basically sets up a bunch of tax incentives and funds to go toward building out domestic computer hardware research and manufacturing.

            Its the kind of thing that would lay the foundation for the US building a lot more of its own computer hardware, instead of importing it.

            So when the Trump tariff apocalypse hits… assuming the CHIPS Act does not get repealed, it will be the only saving grace in terms of possibly lowering computer hardware costs.

            Trump and Republicans are likely to try and take credit for this, if domestic chip fabs start coming online before 2028, pretending it is something they came up with.

    • @[email protected]
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      This post is my reminder that I should probably upgrade my graphics card this December, rather than waiting for any other time.

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      yep! and by then it’s too late. they’ve already shot themselves in the foot, they just haven’t felt the pain yet.

      edit - and honestly, if we were actually producing all this stuff locally and competitively, I would be OK with these chinese tariffs since it would encourage buying USA-made. The problem is that we arent, and probably won’t be for a while. we’d all suffer in the meantime.

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    That’s all cool and nice, but let’s see what happens to the prices when Taiwan gets invaded.

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      Had a friend an acquaintance of mine say that this wouldn’t happen because “Trump hates China so he’ll defend Taiwan” He’ll also “support Israel so Iran won’t get so uppity!” He also believes that whilst Ukraine is probably fucked, at least the war will be over.

      That’s nice, isn’t it?

      • @Paddzr
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        Ah the poor soul! Having to hear about the Ukraine war!!! He’s just too precious, how dare we inconvenience him by keep this in the news???

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          Even my girlfriend, who doesn’t really do politics, turned to me and said “but surely Putin then just goes after his next target like Hitler did”

          It’s pretty telling when someone who struggles with politics in general understands it better than a guy who spent time in Afghanistan.

          • @Mirshe
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            And that’s exactly it. Putin has literally made no secret that he wants to take back, by force, every former SSR he can’t force into CSTO. The Baltics, Moldova, Poland, Finland probably. Then south to Georgia, Armenia, and who knows where it’ll stop - maybe he’ll be dumb enough (and live long enough) to try to start Afghanistan War #4.

          • macniel
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            Ah… appeasement. Certainly that worked out for everybody involved…

    • @UnderpantsWeevil
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      No need to invade when their economy collapses internally and Beijing can step up to buy the whole island out from the bargain basement bin.

  • @[email protected]
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    No you don’t understand, Mexico is going to pay for, sorry I mean, China is going to pay the tariffs.

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      Unironically what we’re going to hear Trump say. But also, there’s so much money in imports, I can see this plan getting bottled up and strangled in Congress very easily.

      • @Mirshe
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        Except I can see Trump just sidestepping via EO. Sure, it’s unconstitutional, but “official acts”, remember?

  • @Magister
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    For years, us, Canadians went to USA for shopping. Next year with the exchange rate at the highest for US$, and Canada without tariff, a shit load of americans will come to Canada to buy their electronics and stuff.

    • Rob Bos
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      They’ll still have to pay the tariff when crossing the border back to the USA, unless they want to risk smuggling it.

      • @Magister
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        REGULATIONS

        Returning to the U.S.

        Less than 48 hours in Canada:

        $200 USD worth of goods per person, tax and duty freeAny purchase of alcohol or tobacco products may be subject to duties and taxes

        48+ hours in Canada:

        $800 USD worth of goods per person, tax and duty freePurchases may include 1 litre of alcohol, 200 cigarettes (1 carton), and 100 cigarsFamily members can combine their tax and duty allowances

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        I .Ean that’s how it was for Canadians, it’s not like we had an actual work around there either. People just don’t bother to declare stuff when crossing.

        • @MirthfulAlembic
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          A Canadian I used to know told me their family would have some cheaper items in the back seat that they’d declare and hide the more expensive stuff. Apparently it did work.

  • مهما طال الليل
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    The world will be split between countries that trade freely with China and countries that don’t.

    This will be the test and control for whether trading with China is good or bad.

    • macniel
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      Turns out it’s bad, but since we all moved our industry there. Well shits fucked.

    • @SuperIce
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      Do those exist? And what about all the internal components?

    • /home/pineapplelover
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      I’m actually happy about no Chinese goods. It’s probably the only thing I kinda agree with about Trump

      • @jaaake
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        Not just Chinese goods, but Chinese components. That cost will be passed on to the consumer. There are A LOT of things that aren’t made at all in the US. If you thought cost of living was high under Biden…

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    Any reason for the unnecessary outlining and underlining instead of just cropping the picture decently? Ffs