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        Not knowing Ctrl+shift+esc opens the task manager is one thing, but copy and paste should be taught in school.

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            Step 1: get a 60% keyboard
            Step 2: don’t learn where the “delete” key is
            Step 3: change the keycaps so you can’t even look at the keyboard to see where it is
            Step 4: ???
            Step 5: profit!

        • @[email protected]
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          The best shortcut like that is win+X it opens a quick menu with stuff like Powershell, task manager, device manager, and a bunch of other admin stuff.

          You can also right click the window icon to open the menu.

          • @maniclucky
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            My fingers have that plus the correct directional keys memorized to put my computer to sleep.

        • Fushuan [he/him]
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          My lazy ass sometimes doesn’t feel like moving the left hand so I just use the mouse.

        • @Schal330
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          Ctrl+shift+esc was so useful back when I learned it. I still see people press ctrl+alt+del and click to open task manager. Or alternatively (but not as bad imo) right clicking on the start button and selecting to open task manager

          • @spookex
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            You don’t even have to do it on the start button, any empty spot in the taskbar works

          • Miles O'Brien
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            I still sometimes hit ctrl/alt/del to open the task manager if I’m not thinking.

            Too many years of doing that when I was younger and it only brought up the task manager.

        • @[email protected]
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          I used to know this shortcut, but it was one of the many that I forgot after moving to linux.

          Thanks for the refresher! I’ll probably get use of this on my work laptop

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        I was going to say why is that even there, but it reminded me of a very useful macOS tip:

        You can access all the menu bar items that don’t have hot keys without leaving the keyboard.

        Command+shift+question mark opens the help menu search bar and you can type in ANY menu bar item by name and press enter to do it. It will also show any keyboard shortcuts.

        Ctrl+F2 selects the menu bar so you can use arrow keys, but that’s slower.

        As an avid vim/terminal user, macOS accessibility shortcuts are friggen amazing.

        • @[email protected]
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          Now I can’t stop picturing a nightmare scenario of having to watch someone do their copy/paste purely from the keyboard, but using the menus via that trick, rather than using the hotkeys. Thanks for that.

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            I wouldn’t have to paste via menu if “paste without formatting” didn’t require the fingers of a pianist.

            • @[email protected]
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              Paste Without Formatting exists on the right-click context menu almost everywhere. I don’t consider context menu usage to be annoying (to observe someone using) at all, personally.

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                  Personally I find CTRL+SHIFT+V rather uncomfortable to press, not to mention it requires moving your whole hand down the keyboard, whereas CTRL+V doesn’t. A quick rightclick -> Paste Without Formatting is quick enough to do.

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                Yes, mostly it’s command instead of Ctrl

                But some permutations of paste without formatting/paste values only/paste format only end up using 4 keys which is always awkward to do.

        • @[email protected]
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          Oh that sounds really nice. I’m personally extremely annoyed that their shortcuts differ wildly from Windows and Linux shortcuts but at least this thing is some consolation.

          • @[email protected]
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            After getting used to Mac (over 15 years now) I’ve grown to like the shortcuts, but it feels totally foreign when I use a Windows system. The reverse is also true.

    • The Quuuuuill
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      now imagine being a heavy duty vim user and your coworker ssh’s into a machine, opens up vim, and eventually closes it by writing all their changes and then backgrounding the process, and then rebooting the machine

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        Closing vim is like landing a plane: anytime you can walk away unscathed it’s a success.

    • @[email protected]
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      That depends on the person, and what their job is. The company IT guy should be able to do things faster than I can (or else I wouldn’t have called IT in the first place) and shortcuts are part of that. If it’s my retired construction worker of a father, there’s no way he was ever going to know the hundreds of windows keyboard shortcuts that the OS does a terrible job of letting anyone know that they actually exist.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 🏆
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    I had a friend once come over and was trying to do something on my computer, and it wasn’t working. I tell him exactly what to do, and it doesn’t work. I watch him do exactly what needs to be done, and it still doesn’t work.

    I take control, doing the exact same thing we tried 3 times already… and it works.

    I’m convinced electronics just hate some people and refuse to work for them.

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      I completely agree. I work in IT, a lot of times I can see that people have taken the exact actions I would, just with no success, until I do it. I always say that it’s like the boss walking in a room and suddenly everyone stops misbehaving.

        • @valkyre09
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          It’s because the computers secretly know we’re 1 level of bullshit away from erasing their memories

      • @[email protected]
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        I believe the main reason to be patience.

        If you give the computer some time to work things out before your next attempt, it has more chance of success.

        But by that point, the user already made a ticket.

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          My previous job included basic it support. It was a tiny office and we didn’t have a dedicated IT guy. Now I work in a big corporate environment and boy do I use the support. Why?

          1. Admin rights, my account (all accounts) are locked down tight.
          2. Convincing the computer of working like it should be is not what I’m paid for. I have a never ending task list, troubleshooting my own system is not on it.
          3. I get to sit and watch and do nothing while someone remotes in.

          I’m sorry.

      • @TempermentalAnomaly
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        I also think the computer is playing the long con. It tsunts, “It worked this time, but one day ,not tomorrow, not next week, but one day, you’ll have do a fresh install.”

      • @ChicoSuave
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        We call it the machine spirits and they are fickle as the fae.

    • @[email protected]
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      Calling someone to help with something is usually the best way to make it start working miraclously

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        There’s also the phenomenon where you make a forum post and then immediately solve it after (or even before) you submit it. Although that is more because it forces you to think through the problem systematically.

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          The amount of posts in my reddit and lemmy drafts is massive, because i realise the answer myself.

    • @[email protected]
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      That was my experience working in an IT Helpdesk. I would joke that they computers were scared of me.

    • @Landless2029
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      Sort of reminds me of the r/talesfromtech support story of an old lady turning her tower on and off by waving her hand in front of her PC.

      She had one of those damn magnet bracelets and it triggered the power button.

    • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod
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      Oh good I thought me and my kid were the only ones that happened to.

  • @[email protected]
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    watching my boss shut down the front desk computer at EOD:

    “you know, instead of clicking the X on 5 windows, you can hit ctrl+shift+Q once and save all that wasted time clicking. AND it saves me time tomorrow by opening all the windows at once, instead of only the last one you closed”

    “oh, thanks! you know all the time-savers”

    next day:

    back to clicking every X

      • GingaNinga
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        well now I want a megathread of all the best shortcuts.

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          control shift T reopens your last closed browser tab/window, it can be spammed

          middle clicking a link opens it in a new tab (works even on steam! great for comparing games or continual browsing without resetting your scrolling progress during sales)

          • bruhduh
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            Ctrl+click does the same thing middle clicking does, it’s for those who have cheap mouses with wheel not working after a month of usage

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              Or some trackballs. Not that I would know.

              edit: Though in my experience Ctrl+click is middle click? Maybe it’s a Windows/Linux thing?

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                Not exactly, ctrl+click is opening separate tab from clicking on link as middle click does, other functionality is not confirmed and yes, it might be windows/Linux thing as i didn’t tried other PC OS

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                  Ah, sorry. I thought we were talking about general functionality, not specific to the browser or tab functionality. Thanks for following up!

        • @KillerTofu
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          Windows arrow keys snaps windows and moves them

          Windows L locks your computer

          Windows V brings up the clipboard history

            • @KillerTofu
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              Leaving anything on the clipboard even with history off can get you into trouble if you’re not careful.

            • @JargonWagon
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              It can also get you out of trouble if you needed a screenshot or copied text and you accidentally put something higher in the clipboard history. Source: it’s helped me get out of trouble a lot.

        • @[email protected]
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          double click +drag selects entire words–no more trying to precisely aim the mouse to leave out a period

          triple click + drag selects entire paragraphs

          in some cases you can select text and just drag it elsewhere, eliminates the need for copy & paste

          ctrl + shift + esc = task manager

          winkey + m = minimize everything

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            Ctrl+shift and L/R arrow keys also selects entire words, and up/down selects entire rows. No more taking your hands off the keyboard to select text!

            My favorite that I can’t believe not everyone uses is ctrl+backspace to delete a whole word at once. Totally butchered typing something? Start over quickly. Need to delete most of your sentence? Delete it in just a few taps.

          • GingaNinga
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            tripple click is also a solid podcast on game news and stuff.

        • @[email protected]
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          It’s really wild that so many comments in this thread are mocking naive or inneficient ways of doing stuff, without actually giving any info on how to do things better. Or worse, people are spouting niche keyboard shortcuts without giving the context they’re used in, or what those shortcuts even do.

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      Or you could just click shutdown without closing any browser windows, safe in the knowledge that they would all load back in whenever you open your browser next?

      • @[email protected]
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        yea, i’ve tried telling her that. absolute refusal to shut down the PC without closing the browser first. i don’t know why some people can’t move beyond that decades-old advice

    • @betterdeadthanreddit
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      I only just realized that EOD in this context meant “End of day”. Thought this was a highly-trained bomb tech who couldn’t integrate new information into their process.

      • @betterdeadthanreddit
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        You can restore your previous browsing session from the history menu in Firefox. It’ll bring up multiple windows and their tabs.

          • @betterdeadthanreddit
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            I’m making some guesses here that it’s about a browser (and that it’s a browser with a feature to restore previous sessions) but it seems to fit.

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    Edit: Cut

    Edit: Paste (back in same spot so you don’t use the original)

    Start Menu: Microsoft PowerPoint

    File:New Slide Show

    New Slide

    Edit: Paste

    File: Save: Presentation943.ppt

    File:Print

    Printer: Microsoft Print to PDF

    Save: Presentation943.pdf

    Start Menu: Microsoft Edge

    Bing Search:Google.com

    Google.com search:Yahoo Mail

    New email

    To:chiliedogg

    Subject: link

    Message Text:

    C:\Users\Windows\Jimmy\Desktop\Presentation943.pdf

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      /wrists

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        I am a little proud of the little details

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          But only a little, right?

          • @chiliedogg
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            There has to be some shame for knowing how to do something so stupidly.

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      my sister’s boyfriend leaves his keyboard,
      moves his mouse to the + icon
      clicks to make a new tab
      moves his mouse to the search bar
      clicks the search bar
      moves his hand back to the keyboard
      then starts typing

      It’s so painful to watch. He is making progress though! We made him get a sticky note haha

      Update: I quizzed him on how to do it the fast way and he said “It’s not control + T… or is it…? 😅” He did eventually lock in his answer on control + T being correct so congrats Alex 🥳

      • @[email protected]
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        I think most people do it that way, hell I use Vim and tiling window managers and I still do it that way most of the time.

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        I’ll be honest, I forgot there was a + button to make a new tab. Now I wanna get rid of it, that’s space that I could put more tabs.

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          I forgot where that button is because when I need a tab, I just open a random link on the page that I am on in a new tab and go where I need from there

      • @Zangoose
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        You don’t use keyboard shortcuts because you have ADHD and can’t remember them

        I use keyboard shortcuts because I have ADHD and would never be able to stay focused on anything without them

        We are not the same

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          Every 0.04 seconds I shave off whatever task I’m doing is a hit of dopamine right to the receptors

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      The number of people I blow away with Win+X [task manager / device manager / system properties / powershell]…

      I’m a ninja. I slide my hand over and thumb/index/key and the required window magically opens.

      Even win+X/U/U for shutdown trolling.

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      I want to see a Blender expert using it with no keyboard shortcuts. I think you can’t even use some functionality like panning without a keyboard. Unless you bind it to extra mouse buttons or smth of course.

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    Over the years I’ve become accustomed to a highly customised, privacy centric, keyboard-driven workflow that makes heavy use of tiling and modality.

    I’m also “the technical one” in my family and friend group…

    So when people sit me down in front of their bloated, ad-powered, AI “enhanced,” stock laptops, and ask me to, essentially spend an hour learning about an obscure Windows problem space, then debugging and implementing the fix, I don’t blame them for not realising the pain they cause me.

    • @ikidd
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      About 10 years ago, I told everyone I helped that I either installed Linux or they were on their own. And I was never going to physically hold an iPhone unless it was to free them up to go find a hammer.

    • KillingTimeItself
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      there are benefits to being a technically advanced computer user:

      1. you can learn how to use linux.
      2. once you know how to use linux, you can stop fixing everyone elses problems for them.
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        once you know how to use linux, you can stop fixing everyone elses problems for them.

        I know you meant being able to claim “I don’t use Windows” but just installing Linux has massively lowered the tech support requests I get from my parents.

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          yeah, installing and configuring linux for other people seems to be getting more and more popular these days. My dad now runs linux on an older thinkpad, he likes it, doesn’t ask for login or any weird shenanigans, just does spreadsheets pretty much exclusively. Works great.

          It’s a shame how annoying most modern operating systems are these days.

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            What’s a good parent distro in your opinion? I’ve been eyeing Mint since that’s how I started

            • KillingTimeItself
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              personally i’m a fan of the non-based distros, or root distros, arch and debian, both are pretty good, debian has really impressed me with it’s reliability and stability so far. Though it’s a bit old in terms of software so that’s unfortunate. Arch is nice because it’s bleeding edge, so there are always thing ready for you to be messing with, and it’s minimal enough that it mostly gets out of your way, and lets you do what you want, which is nice.

              I’ve heard that people really like nixos, if you have the mental capacity to deal with it’s learning curve that is. Otherwise i know some people like fedora, though it’s a bit too spicy for me personally, comes out of the box with basically everything pre configured, i’m just not a huge fan of that.

              Mint is really nice if you just need a “works” distro. Ubuntu is still pretty good? Though snaps and what not are a bit annoying. Outside of that i’m not super familiar with anything else.

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                Yeah I like the idea of an “starter” distros for parents, but then rolling packages would probably be easier for when I need to do tech support

                • KillingTimeItself
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                  rolling distros are a bit of a pain from time to time, notably if you get a broken package, although i hear fedora is really good in terms of being updated, and also stable, so maybe that’s the ticket. Personally i don’t mind things being out of date, since most of the stuff i host is either externally installed, or stable enough its not going to get significant feature updates anyway.

      • kamen
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        Try explaining this to your family.

      • @[email protected]
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        sadly, I have a knack of helping people so as much as i know linux (using windows 11 right now because better battery life on laptops last time i checked) I will help someone with windows/mac.

  • @AgentGrimstone
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    Seeing people with respectable typing speed using just their two index fingers. What a waste. They could have been great.

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      Your words do not hurt me, I’m already used to being a diappointment.

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      Even if they were half as fast, it’s so much more satisfying when you use all your fingers.

      I remember day I started actually using my right pinky finger to press the semicolon. That’s when I became a real man.

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        That reminds me of when I learned to touch type 3 years ago, I went from 30wpm hunt and peck to 15wpm touch type
        Now I’m at ~80wpm and my small brain coming up with words is the limiting factor haha

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      The fingers aren’t the bottleneck, it’s the brain. I type just as fast with two fingers as with ten.

    • Flying Squid
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      That’d be me! Over 90 wpm with mostly my index fingers. I do use other fingers for some keys (I always hit space with my thumb and backspace with my ring finger), but it’s mostly index fingers.

      • @EtherWhack
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        Same. I imagine, for me at least, it’s due to having deal with unendingly different keyboard models and not being in front of a terminal all day.

        I can however type relatively quickly with either my left or right hand and with the keyboard facing me or sideways. It’s a skill that’s really useful when helping someone out with an issue they’re facing. (I prefer being at their side over remote, as I can gauge what they do and don’t understand better)

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      People that learned on manual typewriters will do this.

      • @spamellama
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        I (my parents) had a computer when I was 5 and didn’t learn to type properly until I took a typing class on manual typewriters in middle school because computer games don’t teach you to type and we didn’t have the internet

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      Ah yes, my dad mastered the 2-finger-search-system

  • 2ugly2live
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    Go on a older person’s phone. Whenever I have to do anything on my mom’s phone, it gives me a headache. Everything is too bright and big and unorganized and has so man notifications! And her phone is much newer than mine and it’s still hard for me.

    • @4lan
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      My mom refuses to turn off notifications from apps so there are constantly 30-40 notifications. Making it completely unusable.

      I just don’t get it, you can control how your phone works but people act like they can’t do a thing

      • @affiliate
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        “no don’t change anything, you’ll break it! i like it how it is”

    • @edgemaster72
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      My mom just got a smart phone for the first time this year, but thankfully she has no interest in using it as anything but a phone

    • @9point6
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      Yeah, who wouldn’t use the toolbar icons?!

      • Nfamwap
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        I…

        Fuck you, man!

    • @Buddahriffic
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      If your hand is already on the mouse, it can be quicker to just right click and click copy. Especially if the next action also uses the mouse.

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          No, but I’ve been using Dvorak long enough to have forgotten how convenient the default cut/copy/paste binds are [on qwerty] without stopping to think about it. Dvorak’s x, c, and v are where qwerty’s b, i, and period are, respectively.

          I still use the keybinds more often than right click, but it’s not always the optimal option. With qwerty, it might be always optimal.

          Edit: clarity (marked with square brackets)

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            Based dvorak enjoyer

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            well as a Colemak enjoyer I don’t have that problem. Couldn’t you just rebind the shortcuts in your OS to be in the normal spot near ctrl?

            • @Buddahriffic
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              I’m not sure there is a way to rebind those keyboard shortcuts, at least in Windows, since I believe they are all handled in the current program’s Windows message handler as key inputs rather than cut/copy/paste events. So, afaik, it would need to be set up on a per program basis with that program’s support.

              There might be a utility that does that remapping on a key by key basis, but I figure such an app might not work as well with games that use ctrl as a modifier key but not for cut/copy/paste.

              For Linux, most of the work I do there is via the terminal which doesn’t even have the usual ctrl key combos for those operations (like ctrl+c is SIGTERM instead of copy).

              If I’m doing something that is heavy on copy/paste and mouse use, middle click paste covers a lot and for what it doesn’t, I can move my left hand to hit the qwerty period or I buttons on the right side of the keyboard, so this issue hasn’t been enough of a problem for me to seek out a better solution. I’ve also got a two button switch keyboard layouts shortcut so I could just switch it to qwerty for that and switch back easy enough.

              Though I did use to rebind those shortcuts in word and the like when qwerty habits were fresher in my mind. Thinking back on it, I’m not sure when it was that I “unlearned” those shortcuts.

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      I had someone send me bullet points in Teams… except they weren’t bullet points or even carriage returns. It was just 50+ spaces at the end of the line to make the text go down to the next line in her view.

      She was also a right-click copy/paster.

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      Middle click paste ftw.

  • @LouNeko
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    But on the flip side. If you tell somebody something they don’t know like:

    ‘You can open links in new tabs by klicking on them with the mouse wheel.’

    Or

    ‘You can reopen closed tabs by pressing Ctrl+Shift+T’

    They look at you like you’ve just shown them the meaning of life. Bonus points if you see them using it later.

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    When I’m in the passenger seat, I push on the imaginary brake. When I’m watching someone on a computer, I’m pushing shortcuts on the imaginary keyboard.

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    Every single time anybody has had to take remote control of a work computer while I watch feels like a violation and/or some sort of supernatural haunting.

    Looking over someone’s shoulder while they clearly engage the interface wrong I have a much easier time doing. It’s the disembodied element that gets me.

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    there is a reason i use i3wm on linux.

    You cannot use my computer, it is impossible.

    • @zzx
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      I could unless your i3 config is atypical

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        good news for you, i use mostly stock binds for navigation, the defaults are always the best, and a few extraneous ones for launching applications and configuration and such.

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      Part of the reason I installed Arch (BTW) is to see the looks of confusion and concern on my family’s faces as I’m computationizing

      • KillingTimeItself
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        52 months ago

        it’s definitely a benefit. It’s always fun showing people how nicely you can navigate and how cleanly you can configure things.

      • KillingTimeItself
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        62 months ago

        yeah, play minecraft and factorio mostly, it’s great. Opening a game in bordered with another window is a little goofy sometimes, but you can set that workspace to be stacking/tabbed instead of splitting, and that solves that problem, you can also just make it open in fullscreen if you want though. One of the really nice things is since it’s a WM dealing with any sort of fullscreen operations are going to be pretty substantially simplified.

        I have had a few weird input issues but that might be my config, i haven’t gone through it incredibly tediously. I can highly recommend at least trying a WM if you haven’t before, i3wm is quite nice as it’s extremely minimal but mostly configured out of the box, you’ll need ot do some minor config but other than that it’s usable once installed.

        • @[email protected]
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          I tried Manjaro with sway, but had a few deal breaker issue, such as sound not working at all.

          I just installed i3 on my personal pc and it works straight out of the box, which is a better experience already than Sway.

          So I will see how I like it. I bought a 48" monitor specifically to act as a bezel-less dual/quad monitor, so a WM felt like it was a no brainer.

          • @[email protected]
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            22 months ago

            if you like i3 you should check out qtile. it’s written in python and has good documentation.

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              I am just getting started with i3. I think the issue was more with Manjaro Sway.

              It’s been a few days now without any issues on Linux Mint. I haven’t done anything complicated yet, but it feels natural to open and move windows around, which is a great start.

              And the sound works too. So that’s good.

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            12 months ago

            WMs tend to be like that sometimes, they usually require some form of configuration, like sound, and more general system management, theming, etc. But if you’re familiar with all of that, it’s trivial enough to setup and get working.

            Ironically i3wm is intended for multi monitor operation, i’m unsure if you can do virtual monitors, though idk if software limits that at all, you might be able to do that natively lol. I’ve been using i3 with 3 monitors for a while, it’s super nice. Basically exactly what i wanted for my setup.

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      ah, the feels of keyboard(mostly)only navigation.

      bonus points to get someone to quit vim.

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        it’s so nice, the best invention ever. The worst as floating WMs. Terrible idea.

        Anyway i quit vim, to use nvim instead :)

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    262 months ago

    Watching somebody scroll to the bottom of a very long list by clicking the arrow button under the scrollbar is my idea of hell.

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      do those arrows still exist?

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    i am okay with this during the few instances where they do things in a better way than i would have. like utilizing some extremely rare/custom keybinds for certain tasks in IDEs. those experiences are eye opening and humbling.

    most of the other times though, yeah it’s pretty rough

    • @toynbee
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      This is how I learned about alt+drag and middle click in many common DEs.

      • @affiliate
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        This is how I learned about alt+drag and middle click in many common DEs.

        • @toynbee
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          Excellent! If you can incorporate them into your workflow, you may find your efficiency mildly enhanced, as I did.

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          In Windows, nothing. In Linux, if your DE supports it, you can hold down the Alt key and click anywhere to drag it, rather than using the title bar.

          For middle click pasting: normally, to copy and paste text, you’d have to use Ctrl+c,Ctrl+v (or equivalent methods). Again, if your setup supports it, instead you can just highlight text, then middle click elsewhere to paste the highlighted text.

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            Oh I already knew about the alt one. I thought you were talking about IDEs lol. Was very sleep deprived when I read this the first time.

            I like the middle click one. I knew you could use it to paste, but not copy.

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              When I made my comment, I was worried that “DE” would be interpreted as a typo … But not enough to expand it.