Didn’t trump claim he could shoot someone in the streets of New York and get away with it? Maybe it was him.
It’s hard to imagine Trump riding a bike.
Suspect fled the scene on a rascal scooter
Hover-round hover-round -round
It was an e-bike though. Automatic pedal
The perfect cover?
Perhaps the 9mm pistol is the guillotine of the next American revolution.
NGL if there were copycat crimes targetting other health insurance CEOs, most people would probably herald the vigilantes.
Yeah murder is bad and all but these guys are responsible for so much death and pain and suffering for making a profit.
Killer here is a legit antihero. Like Dexter Morgan. In the earlier seasons.
Really I’m just picturing the scene in Dogma where Matt Daemon and Ben Affleck drop in on a Mooby’s board meeting and kill nearly all of them.
Let’s not limit ourselves here. The Koch Bros are killing lots of people too.
I agree. We need to have open minds when talking about which industries to target
Makes sense. 9mm is protected under the second amendment. And our incoming VP says that shootings are a way of life.
They are if you are an asshole. Someone should take the clue.
It’s unfortunate that in Canada they have a handgun freeze that means all current handgun owners in Canada cannot get new guns, and if you get a firearms permit, even a restricted one, you can no longer buy new handguns.
There are alternatives… but I am not talking.
A pipe with a nail I’d all you would need. Shit. Humanity overthrew leaders and governments without firearms for most of our history. A few CEOs aren’t the governments. So…? I am not implying any violence should be taken against any single persons. There are limits to freedom of speech (imo).
Yeah but these days you can do a lot better, LutySMGs, p80 frames, ender5 and PLA+, 80% lowers, the works.
(I can talk because it’s legal where I am, ha!)
I’m in American too but advocating for violence for me is a moral thing. Idk. But yes! 3d printing ftw
Oh I’m not advocating violence, IMO violence is only for proportional self defense from immanent threats. I am for people being armed so as to do that if (“Bob” forbid) the need arises, so long as they themselves don’t hurt others outside of self defense. I’m also for building/tinkering, and target shooting, etc.
By “I can talk about it” I just mean the RCMP won’t knock on my door to haul me off to some Yukon gulag for posting about it, because even if the ATF did show up “bruh idk what to tell you, you (and the supreme court) say it’s legal” is a pretty rock solid defense lol.
So we’re in agreement lol
They gave him a reward, crimestopper!Jury nullification, also known in the United Kingdom as jury equity, or a perverse verdict, is when the jury in a criminal trial gives a verdict of not guilty even though they think a defendant has broken the law. The jury’s reasons may include the belief that the law itself is unjust, that the prosecutor has misapplied the law in the defendant’s case, that the punishment for breaking the law is too harsh, or general frustrations with the criminal justice system. Some juries have also refused to convict due to their own prejudices in favor of the defendant. Such verdicts are possible because a jury has an absolute right to return any verdict it chooses. Nullification is not an official part of criminal procedure but is the logical consequence of two rules governing the systems in which it exists:
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Jurors cannot be punished for passing an incorrect verdict.
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In many jurisdictions, a defendant who is acquitted cannot be tried a second time for the same offense.
A jury verdict that is contrary to the letter of the law pertains only to the particular case before it; however, if a pattern of acquittals develops in response to repeated attempts to prosecute a particular offence, this can have the de facto effect of invalidating the law. Such a pattern may indicate public opposition to an unwanted legislative enactment. It may also happen that a jury convicts a defendant even if no law was broken, although such a conviction may be overturned on appeal. Nullification can also occur in civil trials; unlike in criminal trials, if the jury renders a not liable verdict that is clearly at odds with the evidence, the judge can issue a judgment notwithstanding the verdict or order a new trial.
Unfortunately, the justice system works very hard to make nullification seem like a non-option and to only select jurors that agree that it isn’t viable.
And that’s why if you’re selected as a juror you shut your mouth about jury nullification.
It’s a problematic concept, and based on current selection rules it’s probably for the best. It got used more to get people off for lynching than anything.
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Doesn’t look like anything to me.
Very weird to share a screencap of an empty store.
Hey, he looks like my friend, John Doe
Should have bought working class insurance.
Would the CEO have lived if he had had a gun?
That requires a good guy with a gun, so no.
and in this case, the good guy did have and shot the gun
Real life Aiden Pearce took him out. This is usually a plot line in Watch Dogs lol.
At least he didn’t have to play a game.
One post above I saw an article claiming he got killed. One of these two articles is clearly lying.
The post: https://lemmy.world/post/22772381
What’s embarrassing was seeing lemny try to censor commentary and discussion of events whilst reddit just let things rip.
I thought this was the free speech platform but reddit put this place to shame. What a let down.
.world instance != Lemmy (lemny) The instance has some rules for content, and discussions around celebrating a murder are getting caught up in that.
There might be some overstepping of moderation in places, but it must be a bit of a minefield for the mods.
The best thing for you to get the experience you want from Lemmy is to engage in those discussions in an instance that suits your moderation preferences.
Just like on Reddit, that depends on the moderators of the sub/com. It really couldn’t work any other way. .world seems to often err on the side of being inoffensive for the sake of broader appeal. (And probably also not getting in hot water with their hosting partners, acquaintances, etc.)
Can’t remember the last time that a headline about someone being shot and killed brought a smile to my face, but here we are. Brian Thompson deserves no sympathy.
Comment’s still up after an hour, yup, looks like the mods here are pretty good. I like this place. Over in /c/news the modlog is insane, looks like it’d be easier to just remove themselves from the Fediverse rather than try and remove all the comments that might hint at “celebrating violence”.
Hopefully it stays that way! Most communities here seem to have a fucked up version of moderation where going “I’m glad Hitler is dead” yields a ban for celebrating violence lol
He suicided, so it doesn’t count as violence
Personally I’m glad Hitler is dead but I don’t approve of the person who shot him.
My congratulations to Walther for their fine engineering.
Yeah I hear he’s a bit problematic. Dated his cousin or something.
That is reddit, and it’s only for billionaires and fascists. If you cheer at the murder of a leftist or anti-zionist reporter they might give you gold.
I thought they did away with Reddit Gold.
The free stuff they gave on occassion, yes. But you can still buy gold.
The thing is that none of us celebrate violence and certainly not murder, but when this is the closest thing to justice that we get for people like him?
Everyone celebrates violence. The right sure as Baator does, what with the existence of prisons and their support for the death penalty. Liberals do, because capitalism is violence. We should as well.
Id like to formally propose [email protected] as the new /c/news lmao
Oddly enough, this is an example of when satire becomes the safest place for discourse. I’m all for it, lol!
this is an example of when satire becomes the safest place for discourse
Soviet anecdotes, anyone?
I have an old friend named Brian Thompson who is 100% not this Brian Thompson.
I feel bad for him having this guys name today and how much shit he’ll hear about it.
My college buddy has a last name of Epstein. He did not have a good time for two months straight. And my poor friend Karen now goes by Karey.
If they had married she could be Karen Epstein!
Brian Thompson is such a nothing name, I was wondering who it was by the time I got to your comment.
The NPR article right now on this guy is disgusting
Huh, from your post I’d assumed it painted a brutal picture of him. Instead, it’s basically just his family and company saying “he was such a nice man”.
I expected better, NPR.
NPR has been targeted by republicans for reporting on facts in the past few years that they’ve been scared shitless and now report on the most shallowest softest version of news to avoid offending anybody.
Shame, as Trump will still defund them.
Not a single mention of all the people fucked over by United Healthcare.
Don’t expect a mainstream news outlet to condone an assassination.
Also, don’t feel the need to have a mainstream news outlet validate your ideas.
They don’t have to condone assassination, they just need to point out all the harm UnitedHealthcare has done.
I made almost verbatim this same comment in c/news and mods deleted it, instance level tos violation.
EDIT: Oh, interesting, looks like my 24 ban to all of world got lifted, after I made a thread elsewhere showcasing myself and a bunch of others getting their comments deleted and temp banned.
Guess lemmy.world uses the old school twitter / twitch approach to moderation.
You can get instance wide ban? How have I not gotten one yet I’ve been really pissing off the libs since they lost the US election by being insufferable
(Coming from the left)
Yeah, I got an instance wide, 24 hr temp ban…
Made a thread in yepowertrippinbastards on db0’s anarchist instance, a community that exists to report on silly mod activity, and within about one or two ish hours, after a good bit of discussion, including at least a few mods for various .world communities, and possibly a .world admin?
… 24 temp ban removed, or shortened to 2hrs or whatever.
How have you not gotten one?
My guess would be ‘post insane shit, mods/admins are sleeping’.
(For anyone interested, i am summarizing a good deal here, a lot more people than myself got temp banned and comments deleted, i did actually say something ‘more extreme’ in a seperate comment, but the point of me complaining was that the mods were going wild, check the mod log or db0 for more context)
Drag was banned from yepowertrippinbastards for making transphobes angry.
Drag, I was in that thread.
I had to basically do lingustic analysis on the last few weeks or so of your comment history to figure out was going on.
Here's my self quoted analysis of your grammar style from that thread.
Drag never uses ‘I’ in sentences to refer to themself.
They have a comment saying they are using ‘first person pronouns’, by which they mean that they are using custom, or neopronouns when referring to themself in the first person.
The grammatical problem with this is that the ‘pronoun’ they are using is their own nickname.
Which functionally reads as them referring to themself in the third person only, akin to the deprecated ‘royal we’.
You got a bunch of hostile responses, and apparently banned, not because you are trans and people are intolerant of that, but because you insist upon your own custom personal pronouns which are extremely grammatically confusing to anyone who is not you or someone that already knows you quite well.
It took me a significant amount of effort to figure out how your way of communicating works, and after I figured this out, it became apparent that from your point of view, everyone was saying you said things that you did not say, but from a conventional english speaker’s point of view, you can easily be interpreted as having actually said those things, and then you would deny having said them.
I put in this amount of effort because people were claiming you were doing a bit or intentionally trolling people, and I wanted to actually analyze that claim, and ended up attempting to describe and explain your essentially unique way of speaking, in hopes of at least defending you from accusations of being a troll.
You didn’t need to do all that work. You could have just clicked on drag’s profile. It says drag uses person-independent drag/dragself pronouns. You could have looked at drag’s post history and seen posts about drag’s gender. You decided to reinvent the wheel.
The grammatical problem with this is that the ‘pronoun’ they are using is their own nickname.
And you messed up. Drag isn’t drag’s nickname. Baator, the post you were replying to was about drag having comments removed that said drag isn’t a nickname.
Your analysis didn’t add to the discussion because you were two steps behind everybody who either read drag’s bio or read the post. And that’s the thing about understanding us queer people. If you want to understand us, then listen to us. Ask questions if the answers aren’t obvious to you. You don’t explain your own assumptions to other people as if they’re authoritative information. That’s just causing more problems for queer people.
If you had clicked on drag’s profile, you would have seen posts about drag’s gender on Blahaj Zone and lemmy.ca, where people asked questions and drag answered. Those people have it figured out. They know how to listen to queer people. Why doesn’t everyone?
You could have looked at drag’s post history and seen posts about drag’s gender. You decided to reinvent the wheel.
Thats what I did Drag, that’s what I said I did.
I did linguistic analysis by reading your profile and post/comment history.
I am queer myself, and also neurodiverse, and I am not talking about your gender, I am talking about your communication style.
I have known tons of queer, gay, lesbian, bi, trans, etc people and you are the only person I’ve ever met that uses ‘person independent pronouns.’
I’ve even dated a trans person with dissociative identity disorder, whose different identities had different genders, but this person would still use I and My, would still use he or she or they depending on which alter I was interacting with.
If your username is Dragon Rider, 99% of people will view your use of Drag or drag as a nickname, the same way John is often a shortened version of Johnathan.
Drag isn’t drag’s nickname.
99.9% of people, who use standard English grammatical rules, including myself, a former copywriter for a university newspaper, automatically interperet “drag’s” in this sentence as you referring to yourself in the third person.
99.9% of people would say “Drag isn’t my nickname.”
I know that you like to describe it as person independent pronouns, but that is a confusing, foreign concept to 99.9% of English speakers who are not part of a very small part of the already comparitively small queer / neurodiverse community/ies.
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If I were to go around saying “That is not what spec said, spec claimed that blah blah blah…”, never using standard first person pronouns…
I would encounter exactly the same confusion, people would think I was referring to myself in the third person, by a nickname.
Ooo what is this anarchist instance you speak of? I made the mistake of interacting with lemmy.ml never again
Its the most active / populated explicitly anarchist instance I am aware of, for english speakers anyway.
EDIT: hah, just realized we both did the same old school l33t speak for our names. I went with just the vowels being numbers, haha.
Hell yeah thank you!
Hey whaddya know, I accidentally a praxis today.
=D
I’ve been really pissing off the libs since they lost the US election by being insufferable
(Coming from the left)
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FBI searching for the killer: United Healthcare denied 2.8M insurance claims in the last year and most of those people have families, so it looks like we have around 10M suspects.
Thoughts and prayers to the victims of the victim.
Are you a Republican politician?
From this year.
Love the name
Thoughts and prayers are considered “out of network” on this one my dude
Thots 'n pears
If you’re gonna use thots in your comment, might as well go with players.
Thots 'n Players
Bulletholes are actually a preexisting condition. Claim denied.
One thing that should scare the shit out of these fuckers is that nobody is blaming it on their political enemies. Both the left and the right secretly hope it was one of their guys that did this.
In reality it is probably just a guy whose wife’s cancer treatment was denied.
I’m guessing it was a child more than a spouse. Could be a spouse. But kids are next level assholery.
saw someone post about how the post that is mourning the CEO in facebook got ratio’d hard by laughing emojis, a platform that is largely conservative boomers.
even though conservatives don’t like socialized healthcare, they seemed to hate private insurances more.
Maybe this is the event that unites the working class 🥰
Soar, Lenin’s banner,
That always calls forward.
With it half of world is going with us.
One day entire world will go.
- One of proposed post-Stalin soviet anthems
Beautiful. Brings tears to my eyes 🥹
Reminds one part of this video(5:10).
Pick any rural county, and you can find a bus load of people who’ve been screwed over or denied care by health insurance. And for those who do not have a specific, personal grudge, healthcare options in the sticks are increasingly geographic monopolies run by a single provider, with a Byzantine network of in/out network insurers.
Someone driving their mother four hours for biweekly dialysis or cancer care because the local provider is not covered is going to be pissed. A parent buying their child because the local provider ‘streamlined’ care while slashing nursing headcount is going to be a lot more than pissed.
I knew healthcare was messed up but I legit didn’t know how messed up until it happened to me. My daughter got put on a specialty medicine because of a relatively rare kidney condition. It had to be compounded, because she is a small child but the medicine only came in adult doses.
Aetna denied coverage, stating I had to get the medicine from CVS (which is owned by the same parent company of Aetna). CVS does not compound medicine, so we couldn’t get it from them. I spent almost a full year on the phone arguing with them and around $6000 paying out of pocket before I was able to switch insurances.
I consider myself reasonable. Even in a functioning system, mistakes can happen and need to be resolved, and I spent the first month or more assuming this was just an innocent mistake. What got to me was the total lack of recourse. Day after day on the phone with people, some of whom genuinely seemed to care but could do nothing. They intentionally separate the patients from the people making decisions so that all the decision makers get is a few fields in a form, not the whole story. The people in charge are even more separated so they never have to hear anything about the people they’re screwing over. And if I couldn’t afford the extra $6000 burden, I just wouldn’t have gotten the medicine and in the best case she would have spent that year in and out of the hospital and in the worst she wouldn’t have survived the year.
I tend to think most people are decent. But the system we’ve built makes sure to separate people by impenetrable layers of bureaucracy to ensure that the decent people either can’t do anything or never know there’s a problem, while the indecent never have to be confronted with the damage they do. It’s insane.
I’m sorry this happened to you. It seems to keep getting worse.
Time to…tickle…the CEO of Aetna and CVS.
Reason #2193 we should have switched over to universal healthcare decades ago. For profit healthcare and services undermine the very thing they are supposed to provide
Democrats: best I can do is more bombs in Gaza
Pick any rural county, and you can find a bus load of people who’ve been screwed over or denied care by health insurance.
Any examples of country with public transport and without UHC?
Yeah, the sentiment in comments I’m seeing are taking this as the working class fighting back against the ruling class. They should be scared of the 99% waking up to the fact that the 1% are not invincible and their fortunes and bunkers won’t save them.
It was me. I shot Brian Thompson, CEO of United Healthcare.
I too am Spartacus.
No, I am Spartacus!
We are all Spartacus on this blessed day.
I’m Spartacussier than you!
What a chad move tbh
No, I did!
I didn’t even know who this guy was until a few hours ago, but holy shit I am glad he got what was coming to him, and I hope the shooter never gets caught and lives a long and prosperous (and most importantly, free) life.
Jury nullification exists for this very reason.
Did the shooter do something illegal? Yes
But was it wrong? If I was on his jury, I’d acquit.
If I was the defense attorney, I think this would be the test case for instructing the jury on jury nullification (which will get you sanctioned at a minimum and probably disbarred if you’re the attorney that tries it). I think defendants ought to be entitled to instruct the jury about the possibility. I personally would never disclose that I believe in it during voir dire and also would never vote to convict on some crimes.
Historically it’s been used to forgive lynchings, so I’d be concerned that allowing jury instruction on it would cause more harm than good in this political climate.
Do you guys still do lynchings?
Now the racists just shoot the black guy.
I hope his list is just as long.
1% death squad Santa.
He’s making a list.
and checking it twice.
I hate that I hope the same thing.
Eh, treat yourself. It’s the Holidays.
*Click clack
You’ve been very naughty this year haven’t you, Brian?
no cookies!?
Proceeds to play the worlds smallest violin.
Here, you can borrow mine
