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They found more pipe bombs in a bedroom inside Mr. Spafford’s house, loosely stuffed in a backpack that bore a patch shaped like a hand grenade and a logo reading “#NoLivesMatter,” prosecutors said.
No Lives Matter is a nihilistic, far-right ideology that largely exists on encrypted online messaging apps like Telegram
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I understand using bombs and making them in the context of being a violent nutter but… What’d he think he was going to do with all that? Run around like an Easter bunny bomber handing em out?
…that largely exists on encrypted online messaging apps like…
If you’re a journalist demonizing encrypted communication, I can’t take you seriously.
Get used to it, that’s the next rhetoric. If the government can’t read it and filter it, they’re going to try to stamp it out over the next few years.
Actually the FBI has been recommending people use more secure communications lately due to Chinese spying through SMS network infrastructure.
That was knee-jerk because we can’t do shit about the espionage. As we go down the slippery slope of authoritarianism, their ability to see everything we say will become paramount to them.
Were at the bottom of that slope already and halfway up the fascist dictatorship slope.
Although they recommend WhatsApp, which is owned and controlled by Meta. I’d be surprised if they don’t have access to that.
That part’s not new, that started in 2001. But journalists specifically have a vested interest in having secure and private communication. It’s not in their interest to equate it with terrorism.
Implying most “journalists” at msm outlets actually do any investigative journalism instead of just reiterate what they’re told from law enforcement agencies. See the Luigi manifesto for a recent example lol
How journalists don’t just slide into PGP, I’ll never know.
Idk how all companies don’t post public keys for anyone representing them to their website. We’re seeing so many scams these days, from fake recruiters with bogus job offers, to fake lawyers filing bogus takedowns. The ability to prove you are affiliated with who you say you are is a solved problem, none of these scams should be possible, people just don’t realize it.
There’s a whole working system that exists. All it would have taken is for Google and Microsoft to use it.
Both companies use it to sign software they distribute. They just don’t use it to sign correspondence they distribute.
it’s ok! telegram is not encrypted!
The guy is white, so let’s try the good old Ctrl+F “terror” and yup, sure enough, zero results.
Guess Italian isn’t white enough after all since they have no problem throwing that terrorism charge on an actual working class hero, Luigi
He killed one of the rich instead of a minority
In fairness, the ultra rich are a minority
With luigi’s movement hopegully scaring that minority into submission
To be fair. In the 1900-1960 eugenics movement in the US, italians, greeks etc. were considered inferior compared to the “purest” races of northern europeans.
Reading about who were considered white 100-150 years ago is a wild ride. It basically meant brits, Germans, and french. I guess us scandis as well, but nobody really cared about us at that point (to the extent anyone do nowadays). Italians were basically the brown people of europe, and I guess that’s how they managed to go with terrorism charges.
I think a bunch of it had to do with Catholicism too. Anglos didn’t like that either.
I care about you scandiwegans, I especially respect your needs for personal space, cold weather and cheap healthcare.
It’s fun living in colder climates and having unironic discussions where people are agreeing that -10° C is a nice winter temperature since it’s still relatively warm, but you don’t have to worry about slushy, frozen roads or high humidity.
Oh yeah, cold is my favorite, I’ve always lived in the northern US. The main problem with living in the far north is the mosquitoes in the warmer months.
It’s been depressing how much less snowy our winters have been since my childhood 40 years ago.
Luigi was actually the son of the owner of Mangione Enterprises, got a masters degree from an ivy league university, and worked a desk job in tech, so not really working class. Also, terrorism is a requirement of first degree murder charges in the state of New York, otherwise they wouldn’t need to give him the label.
They’re explicitly using him to slander nihilists. Typical hegemonic narrative.
“Hmm…” thinks I, after reading the headline. “I wonder if this is going to be someone on the right or the left. I have my suspicions, but let’s not jump to unfounded conclusions.”
Turns out my conclusions were (once again) entirely founded.
The neighbor also told investigators that Mr. Spafford sometimes used photographs of President Biden for target practice at a local shooting range and believed that “political assassinations should be brought back.” After the attempt on President-elect Donald J. Trump’s life in Pennsylvania in July, the papers said, Mr. Spafford told his neighbor that he “hoped the shooter doesn’t miss Kamala,” an apparent reference to Vice President Kamala Harris.
Mr. Spafford moved to his farm this fall, and the neighbor went to visit him there in October wearing a secret recording device, the papers said. Mr. Spafford told the neighbor that he had various types of explosives at the property and discussed fortifying it with “a 360-degree turret” in which he planned to mount a 50-caliber rifle, according to the papers.
No Lives Matter is an offshoot of the broader “accelerationist” movement, which seeks to accelerate radical social change through sabotage and violence. Some scholars of far-right extremism believe it takes its name from a song entitled “No Lives Matter,” by the pro-Trump Canadian rapper Tom MacDonald.
song entitled “No Lives Matter,” by the pro-Trump Canadian rapper Tom MacDonald.
I understand the words in this sentence, but the order they are presented in is… Baffling.
Guy doesn’t like group think. That’s why he became a figurehead of MAGA…
…I may need more than one bottle of prosecco to prepare for 2025.
“MAGA Rap” - all I can think of is some kind of low(er)-rent Kid Rock knockoff. 🤣 😂
I’m sure I’m wrong, and I’m not going to look into it any deeper, but that’s what the phrase “MAGA Rap” brings to mind for me.
I’m sure I’m wrong
I actually kinda think you’re right, but like you I’m not looking into it any deeper.
Not sure that clears up anything.
It’s the best I got man, sorry.
I’m assuming this was for when “the election was stolen”, but it wasn’t because musk won :)
Relevant to your sentiment there.
Do they just have group chats on telegram where they hype each other up and finally one yells “Leroy Jenkins” and runs off to do something stupid?
If so where’s my invite (NOT A COP)
Will we ever start seeing terrorism changes for these terrorists?
Of course not; he’s a white, right-wing nationalist. Nothing to see here.
Not unless they’re a minority or they kill or threaten someone rich and conservative. The rich part there is really important, they won’t care if a poor conservative gets killed. They might care a little if a rich progressive gets killed, but only if they think there might be a chance it would lead to attacks on rich people in general.
Terrorism Charges are only really required for the First Degree Murder Charge in the State of New York, afaik.
This guy probably hasn’t killed anybody yet, and he lives in Virginia.
I think you would have to commit a crime first. This person only has possession of an ilegal gun afaict.
And possession of illegal bombs.
Where did you read that?
Another GOP criminal, not shocked.
Fascism =/= nihilism. The hegemonic narrative doesn’t understand anarchism, nihilism, leftism, etc…
I wonder what the holdup was, taking over a year to move on information, and then only on the pretense of a sawed-off shotgun as a reason. It seems really, REALLY cautious.
I wonder if neighbor was being pressed to “infiltrate” the circle. Something’s really off here.
The way the guy talked, he seemed to imply he knew about a lot of other people involved in that movement. Perhaps the FBI was just really making sure all of their i’s were dotted and t’s were crossed so nothing goes wrong with bringing him in and getting him to divulge a lot of information. Or… the guy has already blown off half of a hand making his explosives. Maybe the FBI was waiting in the hopes he’d blow the rest of himself to kingdom come and they wouldn’t have to deal with him lol.
I imagine that the hold up was trying to find out who his friends are and what they were preparing for.
The neighbor reported that Mr. Spafford had told him that he and his friends were “preparing for something” that he “would not be able to do alone,” the court papers said.
My suspicion is that he and his friends were planning on taking out Harris (and maybe others) if she won the election. Since Trump won, they are moving now before he and his friends can dispose of evidence.
My guess is legality of methods obtaining info.
I can have “on good authority” that you’re doing XYZ, but that doesn’t mean I can go snooping in your private shit. I need probable cause.
That’s not really an issue for an agency that can have secret warrants issued.
Correct, but they still have to convince a judge to issue that secret warrant.
The judge would require probable cause, which doesn’t have to be slam dunk evidence, but it does still have to be obtained legally.
OP was saying that the FBI could easily wiretap, but in order to make the evidence legally permitted in court, they’d still need probable cause to get the secret warrant that would allow them to do the wiretap.
It’s sort of a loop-hole-in-a-loop-hole with the courts.
Usually the FBI just has to use the non-legal wiretap to point them to a good source of probable cause. Then they issue that to the judge, get their secret warrant, then make the non-legal wiretap legal.
Also parallel construction is a thing
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He and nobody who lived with him had any outstanding warrants, otherwise they probably would have sent in the national guard and we’d be seeing Tankies defend him on the front page tomorrow.
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Thanks for that, don’t want to give that terrible sham of a news source any clicks.
Thank god people like this aren’t in any positions of power. /s
“encrypted” + telegram?
= online ?
“Messaging”
This is concerning. Did he commit any crimes other than the rifle?
First paragraph of the article:
A Virginia man was arrested this month with what federal prosecutors described in court papers on Monday as the largest cache of “finished explosive devices” ever found in the F.B.I.’s history.
You don’t let something like that get to the point of killing people; you stop it before they set them off.
Thankfully for all of us, thought crime isn’t a crime. The only crime the article mentioned is the short barrel rifle.
Yes, the arrest describes the bombs he built, but it doesn’t say he was charged with a crime related to them. Because that’s not a crime afaict
It’s absolutely a crime to possess a bunch of explosives, especially in the form of literal pipe bombs.
Also, thought crime isn’t a crime but doing enough stuff to suggest you’ll be killing people and then carrying out and saying things that are akin to planning to kill people is. We can’t just wait around for mass murder to happen if it’s preventable.
Well, we can, and we have, but it’s OK when we’re looking for an excuse to start a war.
I’d be rather surprised if there was a permit issued for these pipe bombs.
I don’t expect that he’s been arraigned (formally charged) with it yet because that usually takes a couple days, and today is a holiday. Prosecutors will likely file a superceding indictment once they’re back to work
Not intimately familiar with US law, but an object like a pipe bomb usually falls within several “illegal categories”. Like you mentioned its most likey illegal production of an explosive article (changing the physical properties of the smokeless powder by putting it in a cylinder) and it probably is an illegal weapon as it acts like a grenade. Pluss “minor” things like illegal storage of said article and raw materials.
I put a bicycle chain in a bottle of solvent one time, and it exploded (not intentional)
Did I break the law?
Does every mentos and diet coke experiment mean kids need a license to make explosives?
Hey, congratulations on discovering why statutory law and case law are both “the law,” and why criminal courts exist specifically engage in open ended fact finding.
Well, you posted on the internet, looks like you can add being a hacker to your slippery slope fallacies.
It’s jagged, he’s a fucking moron.
Do you really think anyone is stupid enough to be sold by those examples compared to dozens of pipe bombs?
Stuff unlikely to kill and not made from materials likely to kill is generally legal. Pipe bombs don’t fall into that category
Something that explodes is not necessarily an explosive. No hard definition really excists, but an explosive usually means an energetic material that reacts exothermic and is self sustaining (carries its own oxygen). High explosives detonates (reacts very fast) so while gas and other energetic materials might explode, they are way to slow and the speed of the explosion is defined by the exchange of oxygen with the surrounding air.
How long a history did the F.B.I have at the farm for that to be the largest cache of bombs in its history there? What’s it comparing that largest-in-its-history-at-the-farm discovery against, and weren’t those previous discoveries in its history at the farm indicative of a problem?
The largest seizure of homemade explosives in the FBI’s history. You misread the headline and obviously didn’t read the accompanying article.
