• @[email protected]
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    202 hours ago

    Ukrainians: “the Germans are here to liberate us from the Russian yoke. And they actually mean it this time!”

  • @CptEnder
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    333 hours ago

    Tbf Poland would be joining them this time around.

    • @_stranger_
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      They’re allowed to take out one German tank with light cavalry, for old time’s sake.

      • @[email protected]
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        162 hours ago

        You know…as the battlefield becomes ever more automated, there might be a very brief window where the winged hussars could make a comeback.

        Let’s say you have a battlefield riddled with smart drones. They have image recognition and immediately attack anything resembling a tank or other military asset. Do you think anyone bothered to program the drones to seek out and attack a unit outfit like 18th century Polish cavalry? A charge on horseback just might be able to ride completely undisturbed through the right kind of drone-controlled battlefield.

        • @Glitterbomb
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          252 minutes ago

          Ukranian drones are already equipped to target the latest Russian logistic vehicles, donkeys.

        • @[email protected]
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          They would be programmed to kill anything that moved just to be sure they get everything. They will be deployed like mine fields except the owners could disable them to move through the drone field.

          • @[email protected]
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            22 hours ago

            Do you want your drones to burn through their numbers attacking deer and birds? That’s what happens if you set them to attack anything.

  • @Agent641
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    263 hours ago

    You guys have the most experience with that sort of thing

    • @WraithGear
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      264 hours ago

      Ahh polandball. I missed these

      • @BeMoreCareful
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        104 hours ago

        These always remind me that I’m a dumb American.

        • @WraithGear
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          74 hours ago

          We can stand to be roasted more then a little bit.

          • @AngryCommieKender
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            That may help us with our fat problem. I hear heat renders fat into liquid grease…

  • @ZILtoid1991
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    386 hours ago

    Poland: “What about attacking Russia alongside with an ally?”

    • @BenLeMan
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      No thank you. Defensive alliance, sure. But not attacking. We’re supposed to be the good guys, after all.

    • @[email protected]
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      124 hours ago

      Germany: “i thought these days would never come again. Fighting russia with poland and france like we did late 1700s and early 1800s”

      • @Opisek
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        123 hours ago

        The original band coming back for one more single.

        • @[email protected]
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          43 hours ago

          Wouldnt say it was a band. Napoleon forced some of the germans, the others joined because they wanted to be on the winning side, and the poles fought with Bonaparte for their freedom

          • @_stranger_
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            32 hours ago

            So like a supergroup. Like the Highwaymen.

            🎶"I wore a picklehaube, on the Rhineland I did ride…" 🎶

  • If Germany had started with, and stuck to, attacking Russia, I doubt it’d have been a world war. I don’t remember who all were Russia’s allies at the start, but IIRC only the French were particularly fond of Russia. There weren’t a lot of the usual royal contract-through-marriage, were there? Did many nobles have Russian cousins?

    • @[email protected]
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      13 hours ago

      I’m afraid you’re gonna have to come up with a specific timeframe here.

      WW1? The Germany Empire wasn’t really the spark for this one. The entire royalty of the continent was effectively cousins. There may be some wiggle room, but most of them were literal cousins, with Wilhelm II and Nicholas II being most notable in this context.

      Nobody was ‘fond’ of Russia in any way. Most European nations then saw it as they do now- large, unpredictable, and territorially aggressive. France and Britain were a part of the Triple Entente not because they trusted each other, but because it was a reasonably sensible counter to the Triple Alliance.

      WW2? Royal intermarriage was mostly a moot point after the first go around even in nations that managed to not get their entire lineages deposed. As for the Soviet Union, still wildly unpopular. If your point is that Nazi Germany might have gotten away with things if they’d stayed tied up with Russia instead of trying to diversify their murder portfolio- I’d disagree. They would have gotten the OK from other Western powers for a time, but would still crumple from internal strife, the war was as much a wallpapering of those issues as it was any grand ambitions of Hitler’s.

      • @[email protected]
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        11 hour ago

        I think the point is more that for WW2 the other nations would have just left them to it more. Maybe profit off the increased demand for materials. However, the war started because of Germany invading Poland, and you kinda need to go through Poland to get to the USSR.

        Encourage the USSR to try and take all of Poland first, then attack back when they are getting close? Not sure tbh.

      • Sure, good point; I assumed we were taking about WWII because - as you point out - Germany wasn’t the instigator, and OPs post seemed to imply WWII.

        And I disagree about the irrelevance of noble ties at the start of WWII. Yes, most of the countries involved were no longer monarchies, but names still had weight. Take Thurn und Taxis in Germany, for instance.

        I grant that by 1930 they weren’t the drivers of policy, and even before that Europe’s royalty were regularly going to war with their cousins. But few in the hereditary European elite had many ties to Russia.

        I didn’t say Germany would have won a war with Russia, only that if they had, and has stayed focused on Russia, it wouldn’t have become a world war. There’d have been no “Allies”.

        There’s a big caveat there, though, and that’s Japan. Germany attacking Russia would have naturally resulted in an alliance with Japan in any case, and once America got involved now the Germans are allied against the Americans. Without the Western front, though, America could have focused all efforts on Japan and might have allied with Russia; the Pacific conflict might have been shorter, and not ended with the Bomb. But once Japan’s defeated, does America continue to reinforce Russia against Japan’s former allies, the Germans?

        I also wonder what role Africa would have played. Germany was always going to need to go after the oil, and what alliances would have resulted from that? I don’t think any of the Western countries saw Africa as anything more than a source of natural resources, so it would have been less “coming to their aid” and more “protecting our assets there”.

        Without an invasion of France, or aggression against the UK directly, would the UK have gotten involved, or would Chamberlain’s policy held? I feel as if France, if anything, would have only dug in and fortified their borders, and watched.

        • @[email protected]
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          The aristocrats of the western empires may have still carried weight to their names, but the Great Depression was really putting strain on the legitimacy and popularity of the established order.

          As for Japan: they were already scrapping with the Soviets at the time in Khalkhin Gol. If anything the American entry to the war freed the Soviets to just a single front. American efforts in the European theater I largely take to be more “maintaining market access” to the UK and France than any real desire to be there.

          France may have sat back, but I kinda doubt it. A weakened Germany after fighting the Soviets would have tempted them to retake lands east of the Rhine that they’d lost following the Napoleonic campaigns. My take is that none of the powers were peacable or invested in the status quo, just less rabid about expansion than the Nazis.

  • @[email protected]
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    167 hours ago

    Yeah, we know, irony is dead. But if the world made sense then the Orange Idiot wouldn’t be in charge.

  • ivanafterall ☑️
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    This would be much more concerning if they hadn’t so thoroughly stamped out fascism. What’s the alternative for Germany?

    • @[email protected]
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      74 hours ago

      AfD is a nazi party. With tied to Blood and Honor, Proud Boys, constantly yelling nazi quotes, nazi saluting in private and small meetings, copying their rethoric and imagin aso

      • @[email protected]
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        Fascism was never stamped out. Wall street supported it heavily and now they fully control the us political and military machine. We came full circle. The nazi’s didnt loose the war their ideology infected those with control today. Central banks funded the third reich and those same financial institutions are still empowered and playing a part today. War and genocide / eugenics is a part of their business model.

    • @idiomaddict
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      I can’t tell if that’s a lucky coincidence or a reference, but the Alternative for Germany (AfD) are the biggest voices in support of fascism in Germany, and they just won 20% of the seats in parliament. Luckily, even the CXU won’t form a coalition with them yet, so they will hopefully not have much impact on things.

      Ironically, the AfD doesn’t want to militarize against Russia (but don’t be too reassured, they do want to reinstate mandatory conscription and militarize generally, just not against daddy Putin)

    • @[email protected]
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      I think the widespread political “unwavering support” for a nation committing Genocide, which is justified by the ethnicity of the people of that nation, kinda shows that some part of Fascism (the whole “people’s race is what matters the most and some races are better than others”) hasn’t at all been stamped out.

      Then there’s AfD which is just taking the “if it’s good to support them because of their race, then it’s good to support us” step closer to Fascism.

      Germany is far closer to a certain philosophy anchored on classifying one’s fellow human being as worthy or unworthy depending on race than one would like to believe (certainly, I liked to believe before the political reaction there to whole Gaza thing made it too obvious to deny) - the symbols were made illegal whilst the spirit lives.

    • @[email protected]
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      25 hours ago

      The alternative is to not build a giant army and use the money in something more useful that will benefit germans and humanity

      • ivanafterall ☑️
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        I thought my little AfD reference at the end would give me away.

        • @frazw
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          2110 hours ago

          I thought it was clear

    • @Strider
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      28 hours ago

      Thoroughly?

      Supporting companies? … <cough>

    • @[email protected]
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      Germany was never fully denazified. There’s a reason the New Left in Germany was so militant. Kiesinger was in the Nazi Party!

      • @[email protected]
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        Yeah the Schreibtischnazis and industrial-nazis never got punished. And not to speak of east germany who employed SS and Gestapo members in their StaSi

  • @Snowclone
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    Poland has been pouring everything into their military, they are VERY ready for this to all go sideways. I can’t blame them.

    • @[email protected]
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      If it were up to me i would have only 3 conditions to allow poland go wild towards vladivostok

      1. Please have a winged hursar blow a horn to signal the attack (would be cool)
      2. Invite germany and france to tag along
      3. Dont take Königsberg for yourself but you may kick out the russians there <3
      • TJA!
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        Also the location of Poland was going sideways multiple times in history

    • @dellish
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      Their next cavalry charge towards enemy tanks is almost ready!

  • @[email protected]
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    15 hours ago

    “the entire western world”

    A bunch of crazy politicians want that. The majority of people in both sides wants peace and would like their money to be spend in useful things and not giant armies.

    • @T00l_shed
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      No, a bunch of people who want Ukraines sovereignty respected want that. I don’t want Germany to invade russia, this person is being hyperbolic. But Germans securing the Ukrainian border is fine.

      • @Glitterbomb
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        Nah, I would enjoy a march on Moscow.

    • @DicJacobus
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      Russia, both politician and population, is not backing down. they have tied their own identity to war. this problem is not going away until its made to go away.

      I assure you. You do not want to live in Russkiy Mir. (The Russian World). where most of europe is enslaved, or dead.

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      The russian population is heavily on board with their genocide. Polish are always on board to kick russias ass, most of france, germany, skandinavia, spain and portugal and italy are too. Britain is basicly united on this as one could see in their last parliament seating where even nigle farage was all in. Turkey also stands with ukraine, island is just minding its own buisness and ireland i honestly have no idea what is going on there. BeNeLux is also on board but have their own problems intern, austria is too buissy sniffing essential oils to care, balkan mostly also against russia even serbia though they play both sides. Hungarian and slovakian leaders are the only once deepthroating russian cock

      • Crazazy [hey hi! :D]
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        Baltics -> Balkan. Baltics is Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. They are also preparing for the worst though it’s just that Serbia isn’t part of it

        • @[email protected]
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          53 hours ago

          I know the difference. If i misstyped that is my fault. English isnt my native language and i am dislexic. In my native language the two regions couldnt be spelled any more different

      • @[email protected]
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        The russian population is heavily on board with their genocide. Polish are always on board to kick russias ass, most of france, germany, skandinavia, spain and portugal and italy are too.

        That’s not true at all, that’s what media makes you believe. You ear macron say something and you believe all french people are down to it. The majority of people don’t want any war, ask your peers irl.

        • @[email protected]
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          We dont want war yes but see clearly that putin musst be stopped and europe needs to remilitarize.

          Russias population as proven in many phone calls that have been publiciced and many interviews with russian people show they support their genocide

    • ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ
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      LOL…yeah but the peace on their terms never aligns with the peace of the other side. so fuck russia and burn a tesla.

    • @Droggelbecher
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      I read a lot of news and thus is the first I’m hearing this

        • @Droggelbecher
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          To clarify, it’s the first I’m hearing about the Germans becoming some sort of Deus ex machina against Russia

          I do indeed talk a lot about the goings on with my peers

    • @[email protected]
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      We’ve always had a giant army. It just wasn’t ours and we can’t rely on it any more.

  • @MissJinx
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    You know the US is not the “entire western world” right?! I think venezuela would be against it for example.