Damn. Maybe she shouldn’t have been so hung-ho on the slaughter and torture of Palestinians. Maybe the DNC should have done literally anything to separate themselves from the GOP when it came to foreign policy.
I don’t understand why people can’t understand that multiple things can be true.
Someone can have voted for Harris, donated to her campaign, preferred her to be president, felt that personally their own lives would have been better if Harris were president, and also be disgusted that Harris is pro-genocide.
It’s pretty easy to understand. The people who don’t get it are the ones who are only capable of one-dimensional thought. They can’t hold multiple, complex beliefs, so they assume you can’t either.
Because Lemmites only see things in binary.
You’re either a communist or a disgusting fascist nazi
I guess my question is whether “reluctant” (yet unrepentant) Trump voters ought to be held responsible for the awful shit Trump does, for the things that they were aware of but did not consider to be a deal-breaker. Because I think they should, and I think it’s perfectly valid to criticize “reluctant” Kamala voters on the exact same basis.
Ultimately, you make a decision, and if your reservations about a candidate are not significant enough to be represented in that decision, then do they really matter? Do they matter enough that other people ought to be expected to care about them? “Libertarians” who vote Republican are just Republicans, they don’t consider their differences significant enough to break with them, so why should I bother to make a distinction?
my question is whether “reluctant” (yet unrepentant) Trump voters ought to be held responsible for the awful shit Trump does, for the things that they were aware of but did not consider to be a deal-breaker
The fact that they were aware of the awful things Trump said he would do, believed that he would do them, and it wasn’t a deal breaker is more than enough to hold them responsible. (And to hold them in contempt)
Exactly my point.
Glad we agree.
Centrists will never understand this.
They also cannot understand that someone can say something centrists want is a losing issue and still be willing to vote for a centrist candidate, while being able to notice that they’re gonna lose if they keep it up.
Also explains the reaction to Mamdani. Centrists didn’t get the sex pest they wanted and went from “blue no matter who” to “party unity my ass” immediately. No progressive legislators badmouthed harris like gillibrand did with her disgusting Islamophobic attacks against Mamdani.
Centrists think everyone is like they are, inasmuch as they don’t believe at all in their stated principles and will vote third party if they don’t get their very first choice. We saw this in 2008 as well when they formed a fucking PAC to elect mccain because they didn’t want to vote for a black man. For all the blame they throw at the left for 2016 and 2024, progressives never formed a PAC to elect trump. But if Sanders had won the nomination in 2016 or 2020, I have no doubt that we would have seen centrists campaigning for trump like we saw them campaigning for cuomo and mccain.
probably the part where she doesn’t care that people are disgusted by her being pro-genocide
There would be no ice raids like this all over the country. No tarrifs. No allies lost due to insults and threats. No threats against lgbtq+, no concentration camps for immigrants(or no newer ones from bidens term. No loss of Nato. No that of nuclear proliferation. Stronger Ukraine. And less support for Israel and more support for Palestine though obviously not to the level needed.
It’s like being ok with Hitler because
MacArthurChurchill hated Indians.We’d probably be doing the Venezuela shit still, but with a little less explosions and a little more puppeteering to keep the visible violence down.
“Most lethal” country, and all that.
Sure. But this goes right back to the idea that centrists can’t imagine anyone thinks, believes, or acts differently than they do.
You clearly follow utilitarian ethics. But others don’t. Seriously, two of the main branches of ethical philosophy are utilitarianism and respect for persons. You clearly follow, or at least pretend you follow, utilitarian ethics. But moral philosophers have long recognized the severe limitations on judging everything based on only the greater good. Most of histories greatest atrocities were done in the name of utilitarian ethics. Hell, everything Trump does is baed on utilitarianism, completely rejecting the respect for persons branch of ethical philosophy. Fucking Mengele justified what he did based on appealing to the greater good.
A respect for persons framework in voting would say that true red lines do exist. You can’t just look at the utilitarian consequences of your vote; you have to ask if the candidate you’re voting for has truly done something unforgiveable.
When you solely focus on utilitarian principles, you are ironically aligning yourself morally with MAGA far more than you know. You both say the ends justify the means.
Greenland wouldn’t even be in the fucking news. Canada would still consider us an ally. Gaza wouldn’t be cut up by Kushner.
And less support for Israel and more support for Palestine though obviously not to the level needed.
You don’t know that. Regardless, I guess this all could have been avoided had Harris not alienated her own constituency by playing a game of Who’s the bigger narcissist.
I can confidently say that israel receives more support and less restraint with Trump than anyone else. Literally. He loves tyrants.
this isn’t some wild conjecture.
Regardless, I guess this all could have been avoided had Harris not alienated her own constituency by playing a game of Who’s the bigger narcissist.
yeah and kerry was a commie and dean’s scream should have ended his campaign. there’s always some great reason to dump solid candidates when you believe BULLSHIT
“BULLSHIT” like believing Harris would be better on Palestine?
or
“BULLSHIT” like the 2020 Democratic Primary Results -The last primary she participated in and concidentally where she received less than 1% of the vote?
keep changing the subject.
you can choose to be apathetic, you can choose to stick your head in the sand, but it won’t change the fact that kids in palestine would be better off today - and now they’re getting trump fucked. great fucking job
you can choose to ignore reality, you seem very experienced there
If they can adopt and make bipartisan the entirety of Trump Term 1 and support genocide without any electoral liability, what will you not approve of? This means that any opposition to literal genocide or authoritarianism is only justified if it is the Red team doing it. If Democrats do it, they are definitionally the lesser evil, so they should be supported in genocide since Republicans also would do it.
Also, kicker, Trump forced Israel into two ceasefires that reduced the killing, despite it not actually being a stop to the genocide since Israel is still restricting aid and killing at a slower pace. But that literally means Trump is less genocidal on that one issue that Biden/Harris. The bar is on the floor and they still fail!
So clearly you prefer what is happening now. This is what you wanted? Americans gunned down in the streets by federal occupiers? A president literally invading foreign countries for the expressed purpose of taking their oil? Federal agencies adopting Nazi and white nationalist slogans? I swear to fucking Christ, leftists hate anything that they don’t think is left enough and it will lead to the world burning down. You have to compromise. You CANNOT have everything you want in this life. It will NEVER be perfect. And if we don’t accept that fact and work with what we are given, it will be taken away from us entirely.
I don’t want to see genocide happen either. But we really ought to fix our own shit before we try to fix the rest of the world. America is not special. It should not be our job to police the world like we had in the past. Remove the log in your own eye and all that jazz. Be mad, but compromise. Otherwise we will be nothing at all.
You are applying the ethical calculus of Dr. Mengele. Anything for the greater good, right?
Nah, fuck you dude. I am the furthest thing from a Nazi. If you think me not wanting to elect the felon, treasonous, pervert is me being a Nazi, you can get bent dipshit.
Yeah, it was pretty simple for anyone capable of making decisions without deferring entirely to their feelings.
The stats prove Dems are better for our economy (and rights). We were coming off a legislatively successful Democrat presidency. Serious strides were made for the working class and we were recovering from the pandemic better than any other 1st world nation. The Dem candidate was a career prosecutor with a doctorate in law.
On the other hand we had the side that the stats show are awful for our economy (and war). The candidate was an already failed president with two impeachments and an insurrection under his belt. With a doctorate in nothing but dipshittery.
You have to be pretty stupid to NOT go with option 1, including by staying home or voting for a 3rd party candidate with absolutely ZERO possibility of winning. Regardless of whether you’re mad that they’re maintining an allegiance with a foreign nation you aren’t exactly happy with. Foreign affairs aren’t exactly simple. Especially with an ally you want to keep for their strategic geopolitical position.
But, as we’ve learned, most Americans prefer to think with their feelings instead of their intellect. And now gestures broadly.
I just don’t see how things are going to get better with a nation full of people this dumb.
Well, Schumer and Jeffries are refusing to reduce ICE funding or oppose them, so we are still in the point that the Dems support everything but would like a bit more politeness and layers of obfuscation, rather than ICE not killing people in the streets and being the American Gestapo.
Admin of db0: “yeah, well Kamala would have double sent the army”
She would not have forced either of the ceasefires Trump has. Trump is still supporting genocide and the genocide is continuing, but we have direct evidence that it is less than Biden-Harris. You can argue that Venezuelans and future Cubans, Greenlanders, etc. will outweigh that. But it is directly evident that the US president could have reigned in Israel at any time and if you can’t not support genocide, there is no evil you will not support if it is the Blue Team doing it.
…what evidence do you have of what decisions Harris would have made differently in terms of being unable to force ceasefires? Biden did within his last couple months in office. She campaigned on backing a six week deal. It wasn’t perfect, but I’m struggling to understand your argument.
Biden literally said that there is nothing he could do and all opposition to Israel being “behind closed doors he doesn’t like Netanyahu and expresses disapproval, despite his public support” and Kamala repeatedly saying that she would do nothing different than Biden. What did Biden actually do to pursue ceasefire? The ceasefire came because Trump wanted it after his inauguration as one of his immediate accomplishments, so the Trump White House called Israel’s Foreign Minister to make it happen, and when Netanyahu tried to deflect by saying that it was Shabbat, so he couldn’t get to it until Monday, the Trump White House threatened them and said “I don’t care that it is Shabbat, this is happening. Sign the ceasefire”. Israel absolutely cannot continue without US support and bombs.
That is an insane misrepresentation of what happened.
Lol this article supports that Biden was part of the negotiations that Trump then just continued. I didn’t know Biden also paused military aid at one point. So thank you for further weakening your claims I suppose.
This is a Trump administration classic. Always trying to take credit for the works of others. This recent Minnesota corruption scandal started back in Biden’s DOJ. So it was already an ongoing investigation.
Even before that the local authorities were investigating. The Trump administration tries to make it out like it is some revelation they came up with.
Of course this administration needs some kind of anti-corruption win because they have never delivered their promise about reducing corruption. Instead, they have torn apart every agency that uncovers corruption.
Good thing we have more than two feasible options in first past the post voting so we can vote for… Jill Stein, I guess. /s
Seriously, I hear a lot of bitching and moaning and hard lining, but no actual realistic solutions from people like you. I’d love to live in a world where I can draw all of my neat little ideological lines and have great candidates and have my vote actually matter. That’s not our fucking world, though, and acting like other people are approving of genocide because they voted for the lesser evil when they didn’t have any feasible better option doesn’t endear people to your cause. It makes you look like an asshole that can’t unbury your head from your own ideology enough to take a breath of the same putrid air that everyone else is having to breathe.
I am arguing the combination of “if your vote actually matters” then voting for the Democrats means that being that being pro-genocide and genocide supposedly, after the Holocaust, being the greatest crime amongst crimes means that there is nothing you will not approve of if it is the Democrats doing it.
I am not saying you are necessarily a bad person for voting for Democrats or that voting for Democrats is inherently wrong. It is just that being a lesser evil that wants to make all Repbulican policies bipartisan after the next election cycle and unwilling to fight against any evil means that voting for them isn’t really opposing fascism or evil in any real way. And focusing on the Palestinian genocide is focusing on the one issue Trump is actually better than the Democrats, just by them making the bar so low.
It is having to acknowledge that there has to be other organizational efforts and expressions of politics than just voting for polite Republicans rather than normal Republicans. That is easier said than done, but those angry at opposition or criticism to polite Republicans (“Democrats”) is wrong are contributing to the problem rather than offering real or serious solutions. That is why I point out that Biden made Trump Term 1 bipartisan and Schumer and Jeffries refusing to support reigning in ICE. They wont oppose fascism, they would like the fascism to fill out more paperwork. So, sure, voting Dem might slightly reduce fascism, in that they don’t increase funding enough to offset the extra paperwork. But supporting Dems or carrying water for them against criticism is pro-fascism and not anti-fascism. You have to start thinking outside of just elections.
Shame a lot of them just refuse/are too scared to ever recognize it. The rest of us suffer for it.
Easier to trick someone than convince them they’ve been tricked.
I’ll make sure to let them feel at least a little bit of what they have subjected me to from their vote every chance I get
They’re half right. ICE is A secret police force, not an army.
They’re funded like an army.
And growing in numbers.
Ah, like the Waffen-SS?
There was also National Guard troops that were deployed across major cities…
Staffed mostly by ex-military. Funded by the federal budget like the military. Use military grade weapons and armor. Move in packs like their army training.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
It’s true! Trump hasn’t sent the army after anyone! Just ICE, CBP, and the National Guard!
don’t forget the Marines in Los Angeles
the National Guard is part of the army
Nuh-uh! /s
Not tryna nitpick but doesn’t the national guard consist of all branches of the military?
Army and airforce, therefore NG is Army
Trump thinks ICE is just cold army.
ice is his personal brownshirts, which are likely if not mostly OATHKEEPERS, proud boys,etc. these people finally got jobs where even walmart and amazon woulndt hire them.
PolitiFact | Trump said that Gov. Tim Walz didn’t call in the National Guard in 2020. Walz’s order shows he did.
Tim Walz signed an executive order May 28, 2020, calling up the Minnesota National Guard to respond to riots
oh no, anyway
Riots caused by provocateurs coming in from out of state, driving vehicles with license plates removed, and causing damage to spark a broader reaction from the otherwise mostly peaceful protestors.
Sound familiar?
The National Guard is a branch of the Military (I believe the Army).
Also, didn’t he send the Navy after some people in California a while back or am I hallucinating that?
Downvoted for US politics. And this isn’t agedlikemilk material, this is agedlikewine. She was absolutely right.
Fuck the pedo voters, third party voters, and non-voters.
I think The Hill’s reaction is meant to be the milk.
Fair enough
What is posted here is the tweet calling it a lie, not her debate or rally where the claim is made. The tweet has aged like milk.
Some redhat chud gonna pedant that he’s sending the gazpacho not the army
3rd party voters can go fuck themselves.
Just as dumb as MAGA.
Actually probably more dumb because they recognized the Trump threat, then proceeded to help him anyway.
FACT: The 3rd party candidate with the MOST votes only got half of a single percent of the total votes cast. 3RD PARTY CANDIDATES CANNOT WIN THE PRESIDENCY. Vote for 3rd party in local/state elections. It’s STUPID AS FUUUUUUUUUCK to vote for one for president.
The real pedos, are the ones who try to turn kids gay/trans. Trump is a saint by comparision
People that think being gay is a choice scare me. It takes a lower form of intelligence and a truly weak grasp on both science and religion for them to decide their opinion overrides both. Science: Its just how they are. Religion: God made it.
Why not go throw stones at disabled children? The same principle applies. Science: Well, that just happens, its how they are. Religion: God made that, its his will.
People who think being gay is a choice are either gay and in complete denial or bi, because as a straight man, while I could choose to have sex with another man, it has negative appeal to me. Like not just no attraction, but repulsion.
So either they are in denial about their own sexuality (especially the ones that make comments about vaginas being gross), or they are so stupid they listen to their thought leaders over their own experience of it not being a choice but biologically imprinted deep in their psyche.
- It’s letting them be gay/trans if they want to
- this has nothing to do with pedo
It’s letting them be gay/trans if they want to
SOme people can’t become gay/trans otherwise they’ll be kicked our from their family. For a European this may not mean much, but for most cultures, this is social suicide. We don’t get a choice lol
this has nothing to do with pedo This dude called me a pedo voter. I’m just pointing out, that he thinks teachers should give HRT to kids without parental consent
The real pedophiles are the powerful men who rape children. You voted for a pedophile, my dude. It wasn’t even a secret what he was.
that he thinks teachers should give HRT to kids without parental consent
This is literally not happening anywhere on the planet.
You live in a fantasy world.
So, you’re just a fucking coward, then?
Edit: 11 hour old account, pure right wing propagandist comments. Bot or farm, fuck this piece of shit.
“The really bad people are the ones that DON’T RAPE CHILDREN. Trump, who rapes children is good guy.”
Lol, nice grammar. Go fuck yourself.
The Hill should try keeping its dipshit opinions to itself.
This shit was obvious to anyone with a functional brain.
Yeah but she loved the genoside, that’s why we have to have utter incompetent apocalypse every goddamned day for three more years.
and also still have the same genocide happening, plus even more acts of war to boot
I’d argue a worse genocide.
Dems were stuck on “but but Israel is an ally” and tried to gently suggest that they stop. But Biden did take some action. The US even built a port to send in aid. Now obviously we had the power to stop sending Israel money and supporting them. That’s where they failed.
Trump however just said good work and keep it up. He’s encouraged Israel to go faster and joked about how great the strip will be once it’s freely developed real estate.
So yeah, one of these is clearly a worse option
one of these is clearly a worse option
Following USA politics as an outsider, this has baffled me greatly the past year and more. Is harm reduction really such a difficult concept? It’s like that damn bus scenario, just with only bad options.
Something like: There’s five people on the bus, and the brakes stop working, so they vote for what they should do. Two say they should drive off a cliff, and one says they should just swerve and crash into the nearby ditch. Two people don’t vote because they want neither. The bus drives off the cliff and everyone dies
The thing that a lot of people seem to be having trouble grasping is that when voters tell you what they want, and you tell those voters to fuck off, some of those voters won’t vote for you. This is the simple reality of politics, it’s how it has always worked, it’s how it will always work. This is true everywhere, not just the US.
It is not the job of voters to elect democrats, it’s the job of the democrats to win votes. They fucked up and they are to blame more than anyone who sat out the election or voted for a 3rd party.
But the bus is still headed off the cliff
Right, and my point is that the bus is still headed off the cliff because of the failure of democrats.
Look, let’s rewind a little bit. Your analogy is about the 2024 election. You say the democrats are saying they want to crash it into a ditch, and if that the democrats don’t get charge of the bus, the bus is headed off the cliff. But, at the time of the 2024 election, who was currently in charge of the bus? Who had been in charge of the bus for the past 4 years?
But the bus is still headed off the cliff
Here’s another hypothetical for you. Two people are given $100 to split, one person makes the offer on how to split it, and the other chooses to accept or decline. If they decline, nobody gets anything.
Rationally, the way this plays out is that the first person offers a $99-$1 split, and the other person accepts, because $1>$0. But when researchers have actually run this experiment, they’ve found that people tend to reject offers below $30-$40, and people tend to make offers accounting for that. Somehow, the “irrational” behavior results in a more optimal outcome.
Once upon a time, in the New Deal era, Democrats offered something closer to $30-$40. But somewhere along the line, people started employing this “lesser evil” nonsense, and the offers got worse and worse. Now, we’re past the point where they even offer us $1. Now they offer us “We’ll still commit genocide, but slightly less.”
I’m completely baffled by how anyone can still be committed to this clearly failed and irrational strategy of “lesser evilism.” Even if you personally think it’s the right move, surely you must at least understand that this isn’t how other people are going to behave.
If what you’re seeing doesn’t make sense, maybe the problem is in your interpretation?
It sounds like you see R promising “bad thing” and D promising “less-bad thing, but we will move right next time” and so you want to just give up because both options are bad.
But I think this involves viewing the parties as monolithic entities that you have no control over (as seen in “the Democratic Part Elite kept out Bernie”) when they’re actually just composed of people. An important factor is that the American people on average are much more conservative/authoritarian/pro-corporation than typical Europeans. Somewhat by history, somewhat by US-sourced indoctrination, somewhat by foreign-sourced indoctrination.
When I see real-life progressives, they’re always taking the most-progressive available action of the moment. In the moment of a US presidential election in a swing state, that most-progressive action may be voting for the slightly-less-bad candidate. But voting for a candidate doesn’t tie them to that candidate’s policies and they can spend the majority of their time and effort focused on progress.
When I see online progressives(?), they’re primarily concerned with giving up: tearing down other progressives’ efforts because they’re not progressive enough but not offering an alternative. The result of this, intended or not, is a populous who doesn’t offer resistance to authoritarianism and probably welcomes it in the end.
There’s nothing “progressive” about supporting genocide.
From the moment I reached the age of reason, I was outraged at the pointless wars of aggression being waged in the Middle East, wars that were supported by the vast majority of the Democratic party. Even when we got a supposedly “progressive” president, Obama, he doubled down on the killing and bloodshed. For twenty years I have been told this lesser evilist nonsense, as the bodies piled higher and higher. Then, almost as soon as the bipartisan forever wars came to a close, they merely shifted focus to killing other Middle Easterners in Palestine through the proxy of Israel, at an even greater intensity than before. Twenty years of patiently waiting, twenty years of no progress being made whatsoever, twenty years of killing for no benefit to anyone but arms manufactures and oil companies, twenty years of Americans never getting a real chance to vote on whether it should continue because both parties supported it, and you have the audacity to call yourself a progressive, and to attack me as not a real progressive, when you’re the one that’s perfectly fine with that?
Maybe you should have been doing something other than waiting patiently for twenty years. I don’t know why people expect something to happen when they do nothing.
Well your system clearly is completely fucked up, no denying that, you know and can clearly word it out waaayy better than some random internet person like I do. But the bus is still headed off the cliff, so what is the counter plan?
The bus was headed off a cliff regardless of who got elected.
There is no easy fix and no strategy that’s actually likely to work. What we need is an actual left-wing party. We can either try to push the Democrats in that direction, which fundamentally requires holding them to some basic standard and disciplining them when they fail to live up to it, or we can form a new party from the ground up. Both of those strategies are furthered by voting third party. Of course, there are also strategies that don’t rely on electoralism, such as a general strike, but this is also furthered by supporting a third party like PSL which engages in and promotes direct action.
You’re fucking up your own metaphor now because the Dems would have been the ditch crash which is better than the total destruction of driving off the cliff. But it doesn’t matter what anyone says you’ll just both sides it.
Let me try again: Two people are running for the leadership position. The other one says they won’t punch you, but you know they probably will. The other one says he’ll shoot you and your whole family. You won’t vote against the shooter because the puncher is bad and unreliable as well, so now you and your family get shot.
That demented clown was pretty openly saying he’ll turn USA into fascist dictatorship if he’s elected, and now he’s doing it and apparently speedrunning towards ww3 because he didn’t get the nobel peace price or some insane shit. And I still see people online arguing that voting against him didn’t matter?
Is harm reduction really such a difficult concept?
As an American, let me be very clear here. Americans, as a whole, are very, very, very dumb. And dumb people operate almost entirely based off their feelings, not their intellect.
To a dumb person, yeah, harm reduction is actually a difficult concept to wrap their mind around.
I’ve been here my whole life, and honestly, there really are just a lot of dumb people here. Which is why I don’t really see any of this getting better after Trump is gone. We’ll just keep making dumb decisions because dumb people make dumb decisions.
The common sentiment seems to be “I’ll rather live in a fascist dictatorship than vote democrats” while still thinking that’s any different from supporting republicans, so I guess I have to admit you do have a point…
Doesn’t matter.
The people who voted 3rd party or didn’t vote because they were mad about Israel only ever cared about their own personal feelings. If they actually gave a shit about Palestine, they would have made the decision that hurt them the least. That’s not what they did.
It was all about their own satisfaction.
Sounds like these disgruntled non-voters hold the real key to American political power as they apparently hold sway over who wins and looses these general elections. Maybe the Dems should be more left-wing so that they can coax them back so we can win again.
The dems could move further left but these people would still find 1 irrelevant issue to purity test on. Its pointless to ever try and cater to them.
Nah they weren’t going to vote anyway. Probably don’t know how.
No you don’t get it, the democrats never fail, they can only be failed. Any energy you could spend on trying to push them left should instead be spent insulting people expressing doubts about voting for a democrat. This is productive and helps the democrats win
insulting people expressing doubts about voting for a democrat.
I don’t insult people who express doubts about voting for a democrat.
I insult dipshits who allow those doubts to cause them to not vote or vote 3rd party for president (which is pointless), thus helping fascists take control of our nation.
Because I don’t respect people that can’t critically think and make intelligent decisions when serious shit is on the line.
And the wholesale destruction of USAID and PEPFAR means people are simultaneously starving to death in chunks of the world, not getting vaccines, and also not getting HIV prevention meds, which means long term, HIV infection is going to increase worldwide over time. That is going to be a massive, silent genocide that will be orders of magnitude worse, but largely undocumented.
That was a serious, serious fuckup on voters parts. Not to mention massive cuts to everyday things like critical medical R&D, science R&D, disaster preparedness, NASA, department of education, PBS and Corp for public broadcasting, department of health, FDA + food safety programs, and many other programs that people take for granted without thinking (housing grants for home buying, federal student loans, food stamps, weather prediction for natural disasters, Medicare/ACA/Medicaid, etc)
His cuts to the IRS are going to result in less money for shit like bridges, roads, and electrical grids too.
What are you smoking! Trump forced ceasefires purely for optics reasons and trying to get a Nobel peace prize, but has demonstrated that the US president could have reigned in Israel at any time if they wanted. And even though the aid is still being restricted and Israel is still killing, despite the “ceasefire”, it is still literally less than if the ceasefire didn’t happen. Israel is literally the only issue that Trump comes out on top on. So quit using that as an example, since that is the only way Trump is better despite being terrible. It is the perfect example of Trump being a terrible fascist, but the Democrats made sure the bar was on the floor!
But Biden did take some action.
Yes, he took the action of sending them even more weapons than what congress had appropriated.
The US even built a port to send in aid.
They built a port and when Israel told them the exact same thing they told everyone else, that they wouldn’t allow aid, they closed the port, accomplishing nothing in a way that was extremely predicable. It never had any purpose other than scoring political points. They got month of pretending it was going to do something out of it, and people like you are still citing it.
Yes, he took the action of sending them even more weapons than what congress had appropriated.
Thank goodness Trump stopped that, oh wait
Also you ever notice that people barely talk about the genocide anymore?
We know there’s no way to change Trump’s opinion on Palestine, and now we are fully focused on stopping him from starting new wars or sending ICE around the country to murder dissenters. Those that cared now have to focus on pressing domestic issues. If Kamala was president we’d still be focused on ending the genocide and there was at least a chance there would have been an end or progress, but now the current trajectory is the genocide will not be stopped and we’ll probably not have elections again
There was no way of “changing Kamala’s mind.” If there was, it would have been through exerting pressure before the election. Once she knew that pro-Palestine people would fall in line even when she was 100% pro-Israel, she would have absolutely no reason to change positions, if anything, she’d be more likely to become more pro-Israel, because the pro-Israel voters would be more likely to be swing voters. This is why the ideology of “lesser-evilism” is fundamentally incorrect, and how it led to politics shifting further and further right to the point we’re at now.
Please explain exactly what mechanism do you think could’ve been employed to change her mind. Protests? There were widespread campus protests during the election season, and she still didn’t respond to them at all.
And why would she? The left has a proven track record of falling in line behind the lesser evil, no matter how much bluster there might be. Based on that assumption, the politically smart move (if all you care about is winning elections) is to completely ignore all of the left’s demands and keep moving further and further right forever. Now, we have something to show that our words are not meaningless, hollow threats. If there is any possibility of stopping the rightward shift through electoralism, this is it.
we’ll probably not have elections again
Obviously we will. Not that it will matter, because the two party system is completely fucked and y’all refuse to do anything about it.
Obviously we will
Damn you people are dense. It’s not like the sitting president has been talking about canceling elections…oh wait
All you voting objectors did was lead to more dead minorities. The people Trump’s new Reich is targeting. We have a fascist military in our streets killing people and all you can do is still whine about how Kamala was flawed.
Obviously, you can’t be reasoned with, so I won’t bother. Just know that I’m just as committed to my approach as ever.
When the next election happens (after you wipe the egg off your face) I suggest you take into account that people like me exist, and that we’re not bluffing, and we’re not going to “come to our senses,” and you should factor that into your evaluation of which candidates are actually electable.
There was no way of “changing Kamala’s mind.”
Oof. What a trash take.
The person you’re responding to literally points out that when a Democrat was president the focus was entirely on Israel/Palestine because people KNOW that Dems can be pressured by their base, which is exactly why Biden was replaced with Kamala. And they even point out that now there’s basically zero focus on Israel/Palestine because everyone knows Republicans don’t give a flying fuck about pressure regarding that subject, or really any subject.
Like, how much more do you need your hand held before grasping a basic concept?
Obviously we will.
Did…did you pass your world history classes? Do you have a firm grasp on world history?
All existing facts point to this administration working to erode our electoral institutions. All existing facts indicate that due to their existing crimes, and those they have yet to commit, the Trump administration will do whatever necessary to remain in power and avoid prison (or worse). You can absolutely expect martial law and an attempt to delay or outright cancel the elections come November 2027. And even worse in the few months between the election and inauguration if Dems somehow win those elections, if they even happen.
If you don’t think it can happen here, you are a fool.
Oh well. At least Trump is our president now and everything in Palestine is so much better. Lolz.
I never claimed it would be.
Purists couldn’t vote for the lesser of two evils. The choice was: vote for
genocideor vote forgenocide+even more horrible shit. Somehowgenocide+even more horrible shitseemed more appealing.There was this whole argument that vote for
genocideor vote forgenocide+even more horrible shitwas going to turn people off from voting. We now know that definitely happened. Letting that choice run was a pretty guaranteed losing strategy. Anyone with knowledge of American electoral politics knows voter turnoff = Democratic Loss, Republican Victory.Kamala ran a horrible campaign. Blaming voters isnt the way
Would you prefer to have your foot stepped on or be tortured to death?
Americans fucking failed. If you think Kamala ran a horrible campaign, I direct your attention to the literal felon and literal rapist with two impeachments who said he had “concepts of plans” while telling people that Haitians were eating people’s pets in Springfield and held rallies with his slogan of “TRUMP WAS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING” displayed on banners hanging over the stage.
This wasn’t a confusing election. This was the easiest election of our lifetimes and maybe the easiest in the history of this country.
Kamala didn’t fail. Democrats didn’t fail. The American people failed. Because the American people are, by and large, very dumb and easily manipulated by propaganda. Really, really dumb propaganda.
Maybe select a candidate next time so it wont be evil vs less evil? America is rotting
Oh god no. No no no no NO No, fuck that right off.
The voters ARE too blame.I mean, yeah, I would agree with you if tRUMP had never been in office before AND was somewhat competent in his business dealings, or wasn’t obviously in the pocket of putin.
However, that orange thing did a terrible job in his first term, just terrible. And anyone with even the slightest resemblance of intelligence could see he was only running again to stop the court cases, etc, and buy more time to keep him out of prison.
It really didn’t/doesn’t matter about her campaign when the person running against her is obviously:
Was wholly incompetent just a few years before.
Racist.
Said he was going to be a dictator from the first day.
Is a confirmed rapist. With loads of other assault cases behind him.
Best friend to Jeffery Epstein who they both said enjoyed “wonderful secrets” together…
Convicted criminal.
Numerous bankruptcies.
Numerous fines for dodgy shit (stealing from children’s charities etc)
Russian money etc etc.
Quite obviously corrupt in just about every way. Etc etc etc etc etc.
These are the things off the top of my head, there’s hundreds of other shit he’s pulled.So, YES, it was down to all the voters.
Yes, his voters are definitely to blame. But everyone who could vote but didn’t, or protest voted have also enabled this shit to happen so they are to definitely, definitely to blame.Any people who could have voted against him but didn’t and are now trying to absolve themselves of any guilt then let me help you out. You won’t, you can’t. You are to blame.
The problem wasn’t Kamala or Trump. That’s something coming from decades ago. The real problem is a party system where one of the parties wants to go full throttle to the right and the other party just wants to go slower. That’s a recipe for disaster. Imagine if the Dems had elected Sanders instead of Hillary on the primaries. Trump wouldn’t had have a change in hell to be elected and the policies would have steered the country to the left.
Imagine if the Dems had elected Sanders instead of Hillary on the primaries.
He lost. He literally lost the popular vote for the primaries.
I respect the shit out of Sanders, but he isn’t as popular as people on the internet like to think.
We can’t keep saying “what if” regarding candidates that lost the popular vote during primaries. They were never starters.
Yes, completely agree that it has been coming for decades. The best time to fight it was decades ago. For this specific type of scum then the best time to fight it was in 2016.
But that didn’t happen. What happened was the orange child rapist got in in 2016, and fucked things up.
Then was -very fucking slowly- convicted of numerous shit during bidens term. And was in the midst of the -also very late and slow- investigations for the stealing of top secret documents and treason stuff (plus other shit) when he said loads of stuff about being a dictator, and how he wouldn’t need people votes again as things would be ‘fixed’ by them etc etc…AND people still decided to either vote for it, or not directly vote against it.It’s pretty simple. A vote that wasn’t used specifically against this disgusting narcissistic tangerine toddler was a vote that enabled him to do what he is doing right now. If the non voters and protest voters had done the decent thing then almost none of this would’ve happened.
If the majority of people keep on voting for the most decent person then at some point things must get better.
It’s the lesser evil strategy. And it doesn’t work.
Doing nothing and then voting/enabling narcissistic, child raping, mushy brained, confirmed rapist dictators is far worse.
Please be satire
Little too real for ya eh?
Just bafflingly ignorant and lowkey evil
Cool. Thanks for letting me know you voted third party or not at all
Yeah I voted PSL instead of voting for fascism or fascism-lite
Yeah I voted PSL
God. So fucking stupid. Such an embarrassing thing to admit.
FACT: The 3rd party candidate with the most votes in 2024 (not the PSL candidate) only received a HALF OF A SINGLE PERCENT of the total votes cast. Meaning no 3rd party candidate even stood the remotest chance of winning the presidency.
So, how absolutely mindlessly stupid does one have to be to vote for a candidate that CANNOT under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES win? Especially when we’re in a situation where a felon rapist insurrectionist who is openly threatening American democracy is one of the candidates likely to actually win?
Describe to me what happened in your life that led you to being this unbelievably dense.
You want to vote 3rd party cuz you’re big mad about the two party system? Great. Do something intelligent and vote for local/state 3rd party candidates so a 3rd party can get more than ZERO members in Congress so they can start building a movement toward getting a candidate elected president. You’re not gonna have a good time though because currently no 3rd party is doing the work necessary to build that kind of movement.
Jesus, it’s almost beyond belief that people like you actually exist. Absolutely no critical thinking capability at all.
Congrats. There’s blood on your hands
You’re responsible for the shit that’s going on in USA. Keep being a purist moron.
lowkey evil
What do you call what’s happening right now? Highkey evil?
Instead we resumed the sale of 2000 pound bombs to Israel and found some new countries to bomb. That and the population of Gaza is still dying just after the election the bots seemed to stop caring.
No they still really really care about Harris supporting genocide.
That is all.
We just checked the other day in politicalmemes.
3 more years
If he doesn’t erode the government intuitions critical to elections
If he doesn’t erode the government intuitions critical to elections
Oh that’s a guarantee. That WILL happen.
Not once in history has a fascist regime given up power without the use of force being applied to them.
Donald Trump and various members of his admin have committed enough actual crimes/atrocities that come 2028 they will have to decide between the very real possibility of spending their lives in prison (or worse) or doing everything in their power to keep the regime in power. We already know what kind of people they are. We already know what their decision will be. And so do they.
Martial law WILL be enacted. An attempt to defer, or outright cancel, the election WILL be made. These things are guaranteed to happen. Hope everyone is preparing themselves.
while nihilism is satisfying to engage with you kinda just have to play with what you got and try to make the best of a terrible situation and feeding your feelings of doom won’t help you get there
It’s not just doom. It’s fact.
They WILL erode our electoral institutions. They WILL make a play to permanently stay in power.
All existing facts indicate this will happen.
So it’s less doom, and more a warning to prepare.
for three more years.
Oh, my sweet summer child
That seems completely reasonable to me.
Why did she spend so much time courting Republicans? It’s a mystery
Was it was the billion dollars she “raised” in a few months? Trump raised about 900 million in four years, she raised a billion in months. Unprecedented.
Standard US political wisdom reveals that neither D (30%) or Rs (30%) can win an election without Independent voters (40% of voters). So, you need to have an independent issue or three to get enough votes to win.
Kamala only spent a few months, and she spent a lot of it on Republicans (various articles about this before election, Politico, Hill). The math doesn’t work, that’s not how you win elections. That’s not how anyone wins elections. It would have been unprecedented for her to win, also.
I think she took a knee, if you can come up with another reason I would love to hear it, for real. This is very disturbing to me and I wish I had never come to this conclusion, but can think of no other reason.
Why did she spend so much time courting Republicans? It’s a mystery
Not a mystery. That’s what the overpriced consultants the DNC hired told them to do. They said to stop using the slogan never back and told Tim Walz to stop calling Trump and Vance weird.
Which is weird in and of itself because that was working
Exactly. But, you don’t get paid to say, keep doing what you’re doing.
That’s the biggest problems with these agencies.
What? Yes you do. When you’re an advisor, you’re paid for good advice. Do you think book editors get paid less with talented authors?
Dems should be courting the “non voters”. They are 30% of the electorate, and you’re not going to change a Trump supporter’s mind.
If you need to be courted from fascism you’re probably a fascist.
She not only took a knee, she did it before election night was even over.
Did someone print this out and leave it in the sun before linking it here?
Maybe 🤔
torn between upvoting because funny and downvoting because politics meme outside of [email protected]
over there:
“where meme?”here:
no ‘no politics’ rule.I was torn first.
hahah the struggle is real :)
we need a “political microblogging meme” community
I’m still waiting on evidence him directing troops to citizens. Not the ones that are assaulting agents, but regular citizens.
One of his agents just executed a woman point blank and defended him with absolute immunity. Do we still need to argue semantics or is that still not enough?
Did she drive towards his body at all? Did she have to talk shit to him for 3 minutes while refusing a lawful order? I saw the video, we all did. Thankfully most people agree, and it hopefully a jury agrees because it’s really painfully obvious.
Did she drive towards his body at all?
He stepped in front of her car.
Did she have to talk shit to him for 3 minutes
Sassing the nazis isn’t punishable by death, no matter how much you want it to be.
while refusing a lawful order?
She was given contradictory orders and you would be saying this regardless of which one she followed.
I saw the video, we all did.
And it’s clear that you listened to the administration’s lies before viewing it and ignored the evidence of your eyes and ears.
This isn’t reddit. Get that jackboot out of your mouth.
It’s a reich-winger, you’re absolutely wasting your time responding to it. Block and move on
Sorry, no. Don’t want this place becoming reddit. Where nazis are welcome, no one else is.
Interacting with them is what makes them feel welcome. They need attention, and giving it to them is a mistake
Mods coddling them does that.
What lawful order? ICE does not have the authority to arrest citizens.
Also, no, she didn’t drive towards him. There are plenty of videos showing he walked around her car, putting himself in danger, and she turned away. The car didn’t touch him other than him putting his hand out while standing a good couple feet away.
Tf are you even on about
Did you cry for Charley?
How are you able to breathe with a boot that far down your throat, fascist?
