• Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.ca
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    19 hours ago

    They look like they missed their chance at carrying out a school shooting and now they’re hoping to make up for lost time.

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    ICE is another republican “make work” jobs program with ZERO return on investment. These kids should be part of a federal workforce repairing our crumbling infrastructure, something that provably has a return on investment for taxpayers.

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        Not to mention it craters immigration.

        While that may seem… obvious…

        A whole buch of economic processes blow up without an influx of immigrants.

        Tourism. Real Estate. Agriculture.

        Its not shooting yourself in the foot, it’s shooting yourself in the balls and dieing from severing your femoral artery.

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          MAGAs love to destroy industries that employ regular people. Florida had a program that offered financial incentives to the film industry for Florida productions, and the industry had spent billions in Florida, and employed over 100,000 people.

          Convicted Criminal Rick Scott became governor of Florida, and unilaterally cancelled the program, saying that he didn’t want to reward or encourage “Liberal Hollywood.”

          So, Georgia rolled out the RED State carpet, and today the industry annually spends billions there, instead. They weren’t too Red to invite and encourage job growth for their citizens.

          Thanks Florida Senator Rick Scott. BTW, nothing makes him angrier than threatening to prohibit insider trading for members of the Senate. He loves that perk sooo much.

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        So it’s alternative education for malicious people

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    They like em young, dumb, and full of naively believing the game is zero sum

    Believing that life is a zero-sum game may help create the very scarcity and hostility that the zero-sum mindset expects from the world. To create a different reality, perhaps we must first choose to play a different game.

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      In their neck of the woods, this will count for military service:

      “Did you serve?”

      [quietly] “Yeah, I was embedded at MCO…Orlando INTERNATIONAL Airport. Saw stuff there I’ll never unsee. I still get triggered by, uh, uh, mmmmickey.”

      “It’s cool, man, it’s cool…”

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        Maybe. I was referring to actual militia, not military. Indoctrinated into Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and the like.

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          I know, I just like running down these twerps every chance I get. It’s like moral bullying. They absolutely deserve every bit of it.

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    Hitlerjugend. You Americans are developing very fast.

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      Faster than you may realize.

      Baden-Powell was inspired to start the Boy Scouts when he saw the 12-15 year old boys of the Mafeking Cadet Corp assisting the military during the Second Boer War.

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    Jeez. Here (germany, to disclose my “secret country” lol) it takes a hardcore weekend to filter out a handful candidates of like 200. Racists or dumb nuts have no chance. And then follow 3 years of training.

    But then again, our cops are friendly, helpful and nonviolent (unless they need to). Never feared one.

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      there was an article recently of a woman who applied to ICE to see what the process was like. She wasn’t going to join, just seeing how much they vet someone. welp they don’t. she didn’t even go through with ANY of the verification process, she didn’t submit anything for background checks, wouldn’t confirm if she would proceed with the hiring process…and they still offered her a position. So essentially if you lack any kind of ethics or morals it’s easy money. no training, no qualifications, nothing. they just want bodies who are more than willing to be Nazi’s.

      https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2026/01/ice-recruitment-minneapolis-shooting.html

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        She wasn’t alone. She wasn’t the only journalist to have that idea. I’ve read a few articles like that, and they are all basically the same. So much independent confirmation for history, awesome.

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        I would not have thought anything else from the mighty USA. This orange fucknugget is building his own private army. incredibly…

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      Morals too developed? Just recruit them while they’re still zygotes!

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      But then again, our cops are friendly, helpful and nonviolent

      I’d say it’s a lot more likely that you’re not aware of what happens in your super secret country you can’t disclose.

      It’s a pretty safe bet:

      If someone thinks their country is perfect, their country is just good at propaganda.

      Because even people who live in the “best” countries have complaints.

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        You do realise that “not being afraid of the police” is actually the norm in most developed democracies, right?

        The state of the US police force is not some kind of act of God that nothing can be done about. You’re just all too goddamned lazy and selfish to fix it (see also: healthcare, education, school shootings, …)

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          You do realise that “not being afraid of the police” is actually the norm in most developed democracies, right?

          For non-minorities, sure.

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          You do realise that “not being afraid of the police” is actually the norm in most developed democracies, right?

          You do realize that perception doesn’t match reality, right?

          People not being afraid of police, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be. Just that they haven’t had a personal reason yet…

          Which is why no one will name one of these mythical places where police are helpful and not a danger.

          Because if you did, anyone could explain what you’re not noticing.

          On some level, people realize that, or someone would have given one of the “many developed democracies” as an example.

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            Checking in from Norway. Can confirm that neither myself nor anyone I know has ever expressed that they’re afraid of the police, or that they have reason to be. People I know include a fair number of people with minority backgrounds, criminal records, or both, so this isn’t a statistic that comes from never interacting with the cops.

            Sure, cops here can make mistakes, and sure, there are probably some people that shouldn’t be cops who are. However, by and large, it typically becomes a national media case if someone is injured by the police. Excessive use of force seems to be very uncommon, and in the few cases I’m aware of where it’s happened, the cops involved have been charged and sentenced for it.

            It may seem alien to you, but when you build a well educated police force from people that actually want to help their communities, what you get is a police force that most people feel they can trust. When you follow up with clear corrections when some cop does something wrong, you end up with a system that most people feel they can trust.

            Relevant link: The average Norwegian rates their trust for the police at about 7.5 / 10, which is the highest of any public institutions here (slightly above courts at 7/10, and a bit ahead of the parlament at about 6.7 / 10).

            Edit: Some more details from the link above: Most European countries (Poland, Slovenia and Czechia excluded) rated their trust for the police above 6/10 in 2014, so this isn’t some uniquely Norwegian thing. All the European countries investigated have in common that the police are rated highest out of the public institutions.

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              There’s plenty of people in Norway who are afraid of the police, especially minorities. We got discrimination going on just like everywhere else, it just doesn’t reach the national news most of the time. The officer who killed Eugene Ejike Obiora not only got away scot-free, he’s now the chief of operations for the local police force and is still harassing our minorities.

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                I didn’t mean to imply that no problems exist, they definitely do. My point was regarding the original comment that “not being afraid of the police is the norm in most developed democracies”. Despite some exceptions, I would definitely state that the norm in Norway is, by a solid margin, to not be afraid of the police. There’s also plenty of statistics that back me up on that.

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          Yeah, I live in Canada, and while the cops do some fucked up shit, it’s not nearly to the level as US cops.

          I never see a cop and feel scared for myself or anybody around me. At most, I feel worried that there’s something happening.

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          A lot of places train their police to de-escalate conflicts, as a default. This leads to far more reasonable encounters.

          E.g. in the UK, we have some issues with racism and excessive racial profiling. I know quite a few people who dislike the police (of various ethnic groups). I know very few who fear the police (outside of them doing their job).

          I also know a couple of people who work within the police (backroom). They are actively trying to deal with racism within the force. Unfortunately it’s a bit of a game of whack-a-mole, but at least they are trying.

          America seems to be an exception. Just seeing your police out and about put me mentally on guard. They don’t radiate professionalism, but bully swagger.

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        I’d say it’s a lot more likely that you’re not aware of what happens in your super secret country you can’t disclose.

        i’m very well aware, and it’s germany. And probably many other places on earth too, I just can’t vouch for them. Probably none beats the USA though :)

        It’s a pretty safe bet: If someone thinks their country is perfect, their country is just good at propaganda.

        Silly nonsensical argument as i haven’t even said “my country is perfect”. It’s far from that. Why are you fantasizing a whole statement out of a simple “our cops are nice”?! Do you NEED propaganda or can you only think binary due to being too “americanized”?

        Because even people who live in the “best” countries have complaints.

        Err…yes? of course? that is pretty obvious. Duh.

        PS: Every statistics related to cops is public domain here. So it wouldn’t take long to check facts. like roughly 2000 counts of malfeasance by police a year. Accusations, not sentences. Which is probably your regular wednesday’s evening.

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          I mean…. German cops are friendlier than American cops, but they’re still bastards. Oury Jalloh, the fascist WhatsApp group from Hessen, and similar things happen here too.

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            Yeah, but OP doesn’t personally suffer…

            Yet.

            But if OP is convinced everything is fine, they’ll never stop it from getting worse.

            And eventually they’ll transitions from “us” to “them” in the eyes of the government and police.

            They’re in that lazy compliance stage fascists support.

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            “things happen” everywhere, all the time. but judging by just the bad things from some whatsapp-group (who still uses WA nowadays?) is not really a good measure, is it? That’s more a mixture of availability and negativity bias based on availability heuristics and the “mean world syndrome”. Besides, what else should extreme rightists or leftists report? How they have been treated super nicely and the state is fine and how they’re content with the status quo?

            We have official statistics though, they surely tell a different story. And to even add worthless anecdotal knowledge: I’m >50 and had many encounters with cops in many different situations and ranks. And they all went fine, civilized and polite. If you act civilized, you’ll most likely be treated civilized. By cops and anyone else.

            Any why on earth should I pick cop as a job when i’m a bastard. I’d take something in finance and fuck you where it really hurts. But people love tribalism and hating the same stuff together, like microsoft-bad or ACAB. Doesn’t always have to be fact-based, despite the existence of probably a good number of bastard-cops.

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              I mean, yeah, it’s not a big deal if you don’t think about it further. I don’t like knowing that the people who are supposed to be impartial and who might have to intervene in a situation in which I find myself in danger don’t think I’m as valuable as a German citizen is. If the police had faced consequences, I would be a lot less concerned, because as you said, bad things happen everywhere. With no consequences, it means there’s tacit systemic acceptance of that type of behavior and attitude.

              As for why a bastard would want to be a cop? You don’t get to witness a man burning alive as a banker.

              As I said, it’s better here, but that doesn’t mean it’s fine or good.

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                I don’t know if anyone would think less of you because you’re not a german. That probably highly depends on what culture you’re from and more important: represent.

                According to said public statistics, many violent crimes are highly leaning towards certain groups. If I had to instantly judge your possible danger, those numbers surely factor in. Prejudice is nothing inherently bad, it’s a great survival mechanism. And considering they’re risking their health or even their life, they surely use quick prejudices.

                If you don’t replace the initial prejudgment with a real judgment after an interaction, that makes you a dumb bastard, cop or not.

                And surely no system is perfect. You cannot have every cop have undergo a total psychiatric assessment every month. You have one before even allowed to participate in the selection process. And who would screen the screener. A rotting society also begets rotting cops.

                But as a banker I can buy and burn down his whole street and watch videos of the suffering. Beats watching one man burn if you’re into sadism that is.

                From my POV it’s fine though. ICE is not fine. Not even close. And the worst German bastard cop is probably still better as a normal ICE-“cop”.

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      i know y'all don't like police, but my town is special in a lot of ways. TLDR a chair explodes

      so like, having done a lot of social services stuff but not being an official social worker (just an executive for the org) i’ve gotten to work pretty closely with the local police. I’ve been really, really impressed with the force in my hometown. i will sing my hometown’s praises to the end of the earth. there’s something special here i don’t know what. people look out for each other in ways i have not seen anywhere else i’ve lived. beyond southern hospitality. like even the northerners and southerners stopped fighting to plant gardens in their yards when they got in their 20s, started becoming friends and watching ball together. a lot of that was them having kids. a lot of that was due to our police force using a soft hand rather than a hard one, being in the high schools and getting to know the kids and helping and validating their emotions rather than arresting them. giving them a community that was not the gang. they’d learn who the gang members were and “troublemakers”. The one thing they’d pay special attention to look for was gang members coming onto campus to recruit. folk who weren’t students. those were the only people they’d tell they weren’t welcome.

      we went from 4 or 5 teenage shootings a year to 1 teen death a year, usually accidental. it happened the same time as decreases in violent crimes but like, the national average did not come down that much that fast.

      like, to give an example of how people look out for each other here, a few years ago i went to the parade with my wife. i hadn’t been to the parade in years. I love marching bands. Live music is. my. thing. So we get there 2 and a half hours early to get a good seat, because it’s a parade and if you don’t set a chair out overnight so it can get stolen by seagulls you won’t get a good seat. And I didn’t want to sit on top of any of my friends’ buildings that year I wanted to see people. So I brought along one of those canvas camping chairs that collapses and you put it in a tube to carry it on your shoulder. People see me hobbling along with my chair and my cane and wave me over, they make room for me because Hey it’s a guy with a cane let’s give him a good spot even if he didn’t get here 4 hours early.

      I pop out my chair, set it down, lean my cane against it, sit gently down and all the plastic pieces on my chair explode off in every direction as my ass plummets toward the cements and everyone turns and looks in horror. Oh no. The disabled dude. Is he okay.

      “AHAHAHAHAHA HONEY I JUST FATTED MY CHAIR TO DEATH”

      The tension broke. a police officer was right there by the time i finished laughing to help me to my feet (one i’d taught martial arts to when we were both teens, funny enough. i’m not sure he recognized me. he still has hair the lucky bastard), two people offered me chairs which i declined because i saw two chairs at my favorite cuban brunch place not ten steps away. What. A. Dilemma. So we ate chilaquiles and drank cortaditos while watching the parade, and that’s been our tradition ever since.

      long story even longer, it’s taken a long time but the police in my town have earned my trust.

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      I’ve not really met friendly German Police, but nearly all of them are very professional. If I had a problem or a comment, I had no reservations about talking to an Officer because they study and know their laws relatively well, and are strict with their processes when escalation is warranted

      As with all areas, know what you can and can’t do. Know what is suspicious and what’s accepted in a culture that isn’t yours. Most Polizei I’ve spoken with were more likely to talk to you or fine you before letting you go if you did something wrong (Polizei in Leipzig and Berlin can eat shit though).

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        It’s not really their job to be “friendly”. And considering how many people would take friendliness for weakness… When I was younger I sometimes used them as free taxis home. If you ask politely and they can, they will. That is friendly. But also that’s just anecdotal knowledge and worthless. I have no official stats on “friendliness” 😁

        But professional, yeah sure. They study the shit for a reason. Comply, be nice, and they be nice too. But I’m nice to everyone, not just cops, so…

        And Leipzig or Berlin. I dunno. Never been there (am in the lovely, coughcough, Ruhrgebiet), but I imagine that in certain “social melting pots” shit hits the fan often…for both sides. Resulting in a slow downwards spiral

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    But… but… it’s only the middle age that have a nut they need the bonus money for. Kids with their avocado toast and cocaine habits these days.