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    Having 4 babies in 1 year in the 1800s had to be quite the achievement

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        Or just the four of them together in one go I guess.

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          Regardless of which way it happened, I’d be crying a lot, especially if it happened in the 1800s.

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            In the 1800s you’d be counting yourself lucky you survived it.

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          Or triplets in January and one in November, or one in January and triplets in November (but it was definitely these two months). She’s crazy – capable of anything.

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            Heck, you could even have 2,5 and then 1,5. Just that the chance of long term survival for them would be way less.

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              Well, i didn’t examine their DNA lol but they all presented the same gender and were visually similar to each other.

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                Sounds like identical then I guess. Pretty wild!

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        I’ve never met anyone who had a miscarriage and still described the experience as having a baby in this way.

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          I know two people who had full term still born babies. They both absolutely refer to them as babies and as having given birth. I’m only 6 months pregnant and if I lost the pregnancy at this point I would say I lost my son. He’s very real and alive to me, he moves and touches me many times an hour, already keeps me up every night. He’s a real dude in there.

          That said, I’ve had two miscarriages and consider those lost pregnancies, not lost children. I’ve seen people online say things like “mother of 4, 2 in heaven” though.

          Having something die inside you can fuck you up forever.

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            That’s a fair point. I should’ve kept my comment at miscarriages and not included stillbirths. I, too, have had miscarriages so I understand how it can fuck you up.

            I still doubt that’s what the OP meant though.

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    … fortunately for you, I have a treatment that won’t cost much. No, you can’t watch. Also, there’s a discount if you pay for a full year in advance.

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    I’m not a fan of this use of “whom”.

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      Slightly smarter dumb-dumbs get corrected a lot so they just always use the “more proper” sounding one while still not actually understanding the rule

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        It’s like YouTubers who say “thee” because they think it’s a more formal version of “the”. Drives me crazy…

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          I’m glad my YouTube algorithm has been honed and curated for so long that I never get suggested morons like that.

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    You joke, but I’m currently studying the history of my area’s mental health system and people believed giving birth and lactating made women insane.

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      They were describing post partum symptoms most likely. Pretty rough stuff for some people. Some people can get ptsd from it.

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        Yup. And what’s worse, you can temporarily alleviate the symptoms by getting pregnant. I know someone with 13 kids who, uh, self medicated that way.

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    I was surprised to learn that there are many women who have never had an orgasm. And that pressure to have one has become yet another social imperative women never asked for. Why shame the woman? Should they not have agency over their own bodies? The implication that it’s a failing of their partner suggests that it’s beyond their control.

    It feels like a very male-centric outlook to view orgasms as essential to sex. Of course, one would assume women could take matters into their own hands, so to speak, but I’ve been told by female friends that, for many women, it’s not as simple as that, psychologically.

    My own opinion is that, in our race for equality (which I support), we’ve often chosen to flatten gender differences rather than celebrate or acknowledge them. We’ve assumed that sexuality/desire/impulse/physiology is the same across genders, and that differences are down to individual mindsets rather than biological. I think it’s both, but we’ve neglected the latter.

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      There was a study about womens sexual satisfaction in long term relationships and a high percentage said they were not satisfied.

      Its not just about orgasms specifically I’d bet, and unfortunately a lot of men don’t really think about the womans pleasure during sex, they get off and then they’re done.

      Of course I’m sure there’s not really a way to blanket say what the problem ultimately is as it depends on the situation/people.

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        Yep, I think it’s a mixed bag and isn’t always just about male sexual selfishness. I think it’s common to conflate a perceived ‘failure’ on the man’s part with selfishness, when in reality it’s often the opposite. I expect many man feel pressure to get their partners ‘over the line’ and that in itself presents insecurities and psychological barriers that are often ridiculed but are a manifestation of that pressure. As always communication is always key, and improving that is something that men and women can only benefit from.

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      I myself don’t view orgasms as essential to sex. At least not anymore. I am a bit saddened that my gf says she has never had an orgasm. And I don’t think anyone in particular is to blame here.

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        It has improved massively, at least in the west. Saying “somewhat” is a massive underestimation and undermindes the fight of women for hundreds of years.

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    I’m a man, but I like it when my wife has orgasms. Often I do, too. Sometimes the two coincide and I really like that.

    I suspect men of old also loved their lovers, though not universally. Hopefully the ladies came as well.

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    Yes, but lets not discuss the fainting spells and the massage treatments that noble women received to relieve their bouts of “hysteria”.

    Honestly, I wonder how much of that is real versus made up for slander “Let them eat cake” was not quite ancient history in the Victorian era.