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People against Hitler were told they hated Germany. People against Franco were told they hated Spain.
People against Trump… do you see a pattern here?
I mean I’m always hearing people on the left say fuck the US. I figured they just owned hating everything our country has stood for.
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In your own words, what do you think “our country has stood for”?
If you don’t objectively think that the US has been on the wrong side of history many times over the last 200 years, you might be living in a propaganda world… I think it’s asinine to call valid criticism of the US “hating”, I would even go as far as saying that it’s Unamerican.
Yeah I love freedom, equality, and democracy. I wish we’d commit to these ideas harder
Or… at all
I hate everything our country has stood for because it stands for hate and bigotry. It says it stands for freedom, but there’s always so many caveats that it doesn’t even resemble it in the end for most people, so I can’t honestly say that it ever actually stood for it in the first place.
Even our founding fathers only stood for freedom for themselves and other white men. I understand that was the norm back then, but I still don’t think it needs to be respected just because the idea that women or black people deserved rights was so foreign back then. If anything it just means that you shouldn’t fully respect anyone from before today’s idea of justice was established and accepted, just like future people will likely look to us and say we weren’t accepting enough to earn their respect.
It’s not like the US didn’t earn that hate over the last 100 years…
You loathe Trump because you loathe America
I loathe Trump because I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Same. I can’t fathom how any veteran or current military member supports him. These days I’m ashamed to say I am a veteran.
I feel like these are just bot accounts. People are arguing with propaganda bot accounts.
(Referencing the pro trump account, btw)
Could very well be Bot-on-Bot violence.
I’m sure I’ve seen this exchange a thousand times on Reddit.
Autobots wage their battle to destroy the evil forces of the Decepticons.
Robots in the skies.
Those two robots don’t know this is a Wendy’s.
Can’t be worse than the Burger King.
I dunno though. I think a bot account would pick a better name than Brilyn Hollyhand. With a name that stupid, this person is definitely real.
Could be a real name, used by a bot
Dead Internet theory…
It’s very real, bot traffic is so high that it’s hard to determine who is legit and who is a bot. We’ll want to be able to physically verify people eventually.
It’s called talking irl. I’m finding it more and more preferable, but I haven’t always.
For all I know, both of these might be bots.
Roger roger
Oh at this point, its save to say that its bot-on-bot violence
It’s ML, doing their job very well.
Update- never mind. I looked more posts down into your history than I did when I wrote this. You know what you were doing.
Welcome to Lemmy! I would suggest not abbreviating “Machine Learning” as “ML” in the future, and use “LLM” or “AI” instead.
There’s a lemmy.ml instance that people here sometimes refer to as “.ml”, “ML”, or “ml”. They have an above-average population of people with different political views than most, and you will sometimes find comments generalizing the people on that instance because of it. Those generalizations tend to be frowned upon by people in that instance as well as by people on other instances who are sick of the arguing.
He’a referring to ML (the instance), implying that the racist snake chud and the farther-left-than-the-overall-American-Democratic-Party ML poster are one in the same, for he is a believer in the political alignment ouroboros
No step on snek, soldier
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From the past 10 or so comments I looked at when I wrote my comment: the guy’s comment history demonstrated tech literacy. It did not demonstrate right-wing chuddery. -
Occam’s razor. In a reply to a comment talking about bots, it takes fewer assumptions to connect “ML” to machine learning than to “lemmy.ml”
Actually, I take that back. I scrolled down about 20 more posts into the guy’s history than I did last time, and he had things to say about tankies.
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I mean the cunt fuck fauxmunists, not machine learning. I’ve been here for years despite rotating accounts every 30 days. I’ll say what I want.
Calm down Cartman, we all know you’ll say what you want.
Oh, it’s you. Kindly, fuck off and take your trolling elsewhere.
You don’t know me lol. I’m not trolling. You just don’t like my words.
McCarthyist Losers?
You think ml is mcarthyist?
Should’ve known this would go over McCarthyist’s head.
Lol
Is the instance in the room with us right now?
Now that you’re here, yes.
How dare I want the workers to own the means of production. How can the billionaire pedophile elite eat our babies when equality is running rampant through society!?
I didn’t say anything about that. I’m anarcho-communist myself.
Just pointing out that a .ml instance user joining the conversation very literally does bring the .ml instance into the ‘room’ with us.
Fair enough, comrade.
ML stands for Machine Learning. If the goal of those two bots were to argue with each other to sew political division and distract from the class inequality suffered by both sides, they are doing their job very well.
In any case, if your immediate response is to interpret a comment containing the initialism “ML” as your Lemmy instance being persecuted, you may have a victim complex.
Not a computer nerd, thanks for the knowledge, though!
I don’t know if you know this, but ML is much, much more commonly used by .World users in regards to the instance, and not machine learning. I don’t think it’s a victim complex as much as it’s a bogeyman problem.
My inference from the comment chain’s context was “ML” as the tech concept, but, yeah—if someone is unfamiliar with the term, I can see how that will be seen as a comment about the .ml instance.
I’ll admit, that was my bad, lol. Thanks again for the explanation!
I just scrolled a few more screens down into the guy’s post history than when I wrote my original reply to you. No, you were right.
For an account 3 weeks old with comments that make it seem like he works in a software development field, he had opinions on tankies. Charitability and assuming Occam’s razor applied was not something I should have given him.
I remember being super overjoyed when Obama won as I was entering college, and I still think he’s objectively a good man who did a hard job, at the same time, dude blew up a lot of brown people. Universal healthcare is mainly a bipartisan fuck-up, but dude was a war hawk.
What!? You mean after he got the Nobel Peace Prize he went on to drop 25k bombs on the Middle East.
I feel like that is almost a prerequisite for the Nobel peace prize… Henry Kissinger got one for fuck’s sake.
Well, I’ll say it like this.
In the occident, we engineer our culture to control those who cannot think for themselves.
Obama is genuinely a good man, though I haven’t met him. Regardless, it behooves the power structure to have those who align with Obama to have the evidence to convince them his path is the right path for progress.
Trump is a genuinely shit man, though I haven’t met him. Regardless, it behooves the power structure to have those not aligned with him to hate him so they are distracted and have a target to unify against. Likewise, it is good to have bad people cheer for him, for it tells us who the bad people are.
You’re in a police state.
Oh it is way worse than just a police state. The one defining power the US has is extermination. We live in state of constant extermination where our lives are worth nothing compared to corporate profits. We die and they lie.
No we live in a state of forced evolution. People have to continuously adapt and the best adaptors break out of the system of machines to learn the occult, which just means “hidden.”
The Illuminati was part of the police state. Guide people waking up to the half-lies into the occult while catching those people who just wanted to burn the church to the ground.
That is an interesting way to look at it, thanks.
No I’ve grown to dislike America because of the rot trump embodies
As a 40yo Canadian, I’ve always loathed America and what they stood for on the Global scale. The global police, the central trading partners of everyone despite offering nothing, having the primary metric of the global economy… But I never hated Americans. I always had a tremendous amount of respect for the kindness of your average American despite what their country does to the world.
The Trump happened and watching 2/3rds of the American Population either voting for it or being completely complacent on it (not voting at all) shows how much the average American cares not only about their own countrymen but human beings all over the globe.
I never had a lot of respect for America. I no longer have respect for Americans either.
It was so shocking when he won. We really didn’t know how racist and sexist Americans could be when given the choice.
I do blame the Democratic establishment to a large degree for offering hurting Americans literally nothing, but I didn’t think they’d choose… that, over nothing.
The nicest thing I can say about it is at least it shows Americans want radical change.
We really didn’t know how racist and sexist Americans could be when given the choice.
That’s really the crux of it all isn’t it? When given a Presidential Candidate who was overtly racist, hateful, made fun of disabled people, immigrants, and punching down at every mariginalized group in North America and the majority of the American people literally watched that and said “I’m either okay with this, or excited about it” really shows how Americans as a people are. They were just a bunch of racist, hateful people the whole time until Trump gave them the avenue to be their true selves.
America is built on white supremacy from its founding. The whole world just fell for American exceptionalism propaganda.
But with that said, people tried kind, left-wing populism first with Bernie. That was blocked (random source, sorry if it sucks). Right-wing populism is beneficial to the oligarchs who own both political parties, so Trump wasn’t blocked.
Bush II and my high school experience. Jingoism and anti intellectualism was taught at that school.
I loathe Obama because he illegally bombed Yemenis and other people, then bragged about how good at killing he was.
I loathe Obama, because his centrism cooked many leftist brains too, not just liberals’.
Want stronger secularism? No, we should have less secularism, because a true christian like Obama deducts secularism from the bible, everyone else is a faker, let’s just ignore all the bad parts of the bible! Imagine if we got a second Obama, who was an actual socialist. Also we can only defeat an evil that bends the rules by following their newly created rules for us, then not care when they don’t follow them!
what
Things is, you’re totally within your rights to loathe someone who was “before your time,” such as Reagan or Thatcher or Jackson or Jefferson or… But to use “loathed” in the past tense means either you used to hate this individual but no longer do, or that you hated them back when they were relevant. Since this individual clearly has not had a change of heart re: Obama, we must assume the latter, that this individual had strong emotional opinions about politics before they even hit puberty, which as anyone who has even met a child before can attest is utter nonsense.
Things is, you’re totally within your rights to loathe someone who was “before your time,” such as Reagan or Thatcher or Jackson or Jefferson
The pivotal argument for “I hated him” is always “He hated me back first”. Which is this unfalsifiable nothingburger of a critique to begin with. It’s racist, but it’s also this mush-brained apolitical critique bound up in Feelings over Facts & Logic.
this individual had strong emotional opinions about politics before they even hit puberty, which as anyone who has even met a child before can attest is utter nonsense.
Children absolutely have strong emotions about things they don’t comprehend. My toddler son will throw howling tantrums for the most baffling reasons (he had a meltdown this morning because he looked out a window and didn’t see a cat).
But much like with my grumpy little wiggler, all I can say to this guy is “What do you want me to do about it?” I can’t control if you’ve invented a Barack Obama to be angry at, because you decided he gave you the stink-eye through the TV.
So much of the MAGA Movement is bound up in this perpetual sense of imagined martyrdom. And that martyrdom comes out of this endless font of national media full of demagogues screaming “They hate you! They hate you! They hate you!” If liberals ever want to retake this country from the fascist chud battalions, they really need to set aside their starry eyed fetish for Constitutional Principles and SHUT THESE VENUES DOWN.
Call’m monopolies and break them up. Pull their broadcasting licenses. Press charges on all their owners and managers for any of the litany of crimes they commit with impunity on a daily basis. Block their websites. Shutter their studios. Smash their printing presses. Outlaw their churches. Roll-em up and kick-em out.
Otherwise, you’re going to be dealing with this shit for another generation. And another after that. Until the fascists are fully in control or someone comes along with the balls to do what you can’t.
You understand that everything you just said about inventing a version of Obama to be mad at applies to people who were adults during Obama’s term and even ones who were born before him, right? Like you wrote this whole long screed but never actually explained why ageism isn’t a shitty argument here.
never actually explained why ageism isn’t a shitty argument
Ageism has nothing to do with it. You can be pickled on propaganda at any age.
You can be pickled on propaganda at any age.
Oh, okay, I read your comment as you trying to counter their debunk of the ageism in the OP. My bad, then.
You can be pickled on propaganda at any age.
Oh hell yeah. Like the phrase, going to tuck it away for later. Thank you!
Yeah, this is a really trash argument that collapses under the slightest scrutiny. The conclusion is correct, but the means to arrive at it is comically flimsy, and it’s a shame to see Lemmy endorsing garbage.
If an 18-year-old wants to praise Obama’s administration (fairly or otherwise), I don’t resort to ageism.
If an 18-year-old wants to go talking about how Obama dragged his feet on LGBT rights until Biden roped him in, the litany of war crimes, his love affair with natural gas, etc. I don’t resort to ageism.
And if an 18-year-old wants to go talking about how Obama was a Muslim socialist who raped children while wearing a tan suit and only Donald Trump, master of all four elements, could stop him, I don’t resort to ageism, because it’s a shitty argument, and I actually have some fucking intellectual honesty.
Ehh idk I knew Al Gore was a better candidate than Bush in 4th grade 4th grade
Sure, but did you loathe Bush?
If Obama loathed America I’d respect him more
Exactly, Obama was decent but was still into a lot of the corruption that plagues US politics.
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Professional influencer,
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talks to another influencer,
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on… Threads?
It’s just attention chum.
(And I did look up both posters, but precisely zero credibility/background is presented on the Threads UI)
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Yeahhhh, if you wanna go ahead and stop expecting things to turn around as soon as Boomers die off, that’d be great.
I used to think that, but then Gen Z got it in their heads that if they turned Conservative they’d get a tradwife out of it.
“We loathed Obama because he loathed America” speak for yourself you imperial, I hate Obama because he’s the smiling and reassuring face of an evil torturer.
They always make a false premise. These ones are easy to spot, but always look for it.
So what’s the logic here. I hate this country, so I’ll become its president? I usually try to keep away from the things I dislike.
I will say that I disagree with the principle you have to have been an adult, teen, or even alive to dislike a politician. But also this kid is throwing out the most drivelous talking point possible, so fuckem.
Christ I’m old (I’m in my 20s)
