The software maker will use the Recommended section of the Start menu, which usually shows file recommendations, to suggest apps from the Microsoft Store.

  • @kescusay
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    Well, of course. I mean it’s not like you paid for a Microsoft Windows license when you bought your computer, so obviously they have to advertise to financially support it. If you’re getting something for free, you’re the product.

    Wait, I’m being told that when people buy computers with Windows installed, they are, in fact, paying for a Windows license, too.

    So this is actually Microsoft trying to turn products they’ve already sold into continuous revenue streams at the cost of usability and customer happiness.

    In other news, apropos of nothing in particular, Steam on Linux is working really well these days, with lots of AAA titles running just fine via Proton. Make of that what you will…

    • @MrVilliam
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      Kernel level anticheat for a few games is the only real speedbump I’m aware of, and it’s only on a couple of game franchises like CoD I think. I would love it a ton of people made the switch and it hurt those games’ companies revenue noticeably enough that they look for a way to moderate cheating without just lazily requiring Windows in order to play online.

      Linux is finally convenient enough to realistically steal swaths of customers from Microsoft, and it’s at the same time that Windows 11 is pissing a ton of people off. We’re in for some strange times.

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        “Kernel-level anti-cheat” is just company talk for rootkit. I’ll pass.

        I doubt that it reliably stops DMA boards anyway.

        • @[email protected]
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          I posted this in another thread but it doesn’t, DMA boards are capable of spoofing other PCIE device IDs which was one of the few ways vanguard used to detect DMA boards. Realistically the only anti cheat that actually works are replay based community voted convictions such as counter strike’s overwatch.

      • AbsurdityAccelerator
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        There are way too many games out there for me to care anymore. Once i build my new PC, its Linux only. If it doesn’t run on Linux, I don’t need to play it.

      • @Dagamant
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        I’m also looking forward to when game companies try to add kernel level anti cheat to Linux/s

      • @[email protected]
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        61 month ago

        Honestly, the big deal isnt Linux getting better (it has. Slowly.) But windows enshittifying so hard.

        Love a windows feature you just can’t let go for Linux? Better find a way to prevent system updates, or it could vanish overnight!

      • @ilmagico
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        that they look for a way to moderate cheating without just lazily requiring Windows in order to play online.

        I would avoid those kernel level malwares anticheat anyways, whether they’re for Windows or if they port them to Linux (“to run this game, please load this kernel module”… no thanks).

    • K0W4L5K1
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      Generally People don’t give a shit. Ive learned you gotta use the same tactics as windows and shove it in their face. My parents think they have been using windows for over a year now but I secretly installed Linux mint on their systems made it look like windows. They haven’t even fucking noticed they only use a browser for emails and Facebook. When my friends ask me to help build their PC and bring a windows os I bring a Linux os and say its all I will install and troubleshoot

      • @[email protected]
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        I had thoughts along these same lines the first time I fired up a Linux Mint VM last year. The most basic computer users would have their experience enhanced by being stuck with a system they “don’t know.” They can do all the same browser based activities on a system that’s probably more responsive and more stable.

        • K0W4L5K1
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          Yeah I don’t see it being any different then them using windows they were already stuck with a system they didn’t know. And now their computer will last much longer as well

          • @[email protected]
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            The point about longevity is a great one too. I mean what’s the best thing to do with a crappy old laptop? Install Linux and make it useful for something!

    • Blaster M
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      I wish this was true…

      …but there’s still a few technical issues that keep things from running smooth.

      Also, VR.

      • @kescusay
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        I mean, yeah, a few, but there are plenty with Windows too, and the overwhelming majority of games I’ve tried it with work fine.

      • @[email protected]
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        71 month ago

        I play VR on Linux, it works surprisingly well, especially via Wayland. There’s an app called Envision that sets up basically everything you need for you. Unlike a few years ago, I had to do no fiddling, it just works.

        • Blaster M
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          I have a Quest 2.

            • Blaster M
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              Which I have already tried - it don’t Wayland, and I get legendary stuttering when moving about. No go.

              • @[email protected]
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                Are you using Nvidia, if so that might be why I am running it just fine on an AMD gpu on wayland using Nobara

                • Blaster M
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                  AMD RX 6700 XT, Bazzite

              • @[email protected]
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                So you bought proprietary windows hardware and youre upset it doesn’t have good enough performance? Seems short sighted but okay.

                • Blaster M
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                  I bought what was affordable on the used market. And VR stuff is almost entirely Windows exclusive, with only the Index having a native Linux compatibility via the recent SteamVR Linux port. While the Quest series (and a Pico, its Chinese competitor) run a special version of Android, they don’t have the performance in standalone mode that a PC has. Besides, my library of VR games are all on the PC.

                  And before you say “you shold have Index”, I will point out the very, very high cost and requirement for external tracking hardware, aka “the lighthouse”, something I lack the space for.

          • @[email protected]
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            I do too. Envision has an option to install “WiVRn” which I found worked way better than ALVR.

            • Blaster M
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              I can’t build an Envision profile in Bazzite, several source code packages don’t exist.

    • @Wrench
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      We’re not paying for the updates, though. I don’t recall paying Microsoft for anything in ages, and I have a legit copy of windows 10 installed.

      To most people, now that windows is mostly stable, there’s no draw to upgrade when a new major version comes out. Why volunteer for new os growing pains when the last Gen works great? Even more so if you have to buy another license.

  • @tourist
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    who would click that

    who clicks ads in general

    have you ever clicked an ad (on purpose)

    • @dual_sport_dork
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      I have never, not once in my life, clicked on an internet or electronic ad. Even for things I’m ostensibly interested in. Jury’s out on just how much manically SEO optimized retail web sites on Google count as “ads,” I guess. But other than that: Zilch.

      But someone somewhere must be clicking on them because billions of dollars are spent every year pushing the fucking things.

      • @[email protected]
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        I’m so skewed this direction that I’ll scroll past the sponsored version of the link in a Google search to click on the exact, unsponsored version. I don’t know why.

        • @[email protected]
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          There’s been malware pretending to be legit links that get pushed to the top by being sponsored links. It’s a great idea to never click on sponsored links.

        • @ripcord
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          Same for me and Amazon results

      • @taiyang
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        Some marketers believe it doesn’t matter if someone clicks as brand recognition has its own value. On the other hand, who hasn’t heard of Tiktok by now?

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          Of course marketers believe that, because it’s their job to give their clients hype hope.

          Middle management usually wants to hear about conversions this quarter and especially ROI, not mindshare.

        • @bandwidthcrisis
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          I’ve seen Proton services mentioned so much here and in communities such as selfhosted that I went to their website today to check what they offer.

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            Proton is a linuxtool for game compatibility.nothing to do with the web company.

            Which supposedly offers security but falls all over themselves sucking the dick of any security service willing to notice them.

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        I’ve only ever clicked on one ad and that was for a cloud host I thought would be cheaper than Vultr. If anyone knows a managed k8s cluster cheaper than Vultr let me know plz.

    • @[email protected]
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      Go into app or play store and sort by most downloaded. They’re pretty exclusively a list of games and apps that you find advertised.

      I’m my circle, people are seeming to become more willing to admit they got something from an ad. I feel like there used to be shame behind it

      The most frequent lately has been women buying their clothes from Instagram ads. The argument they have made is that they see SO MANY ads, the one they choose to spend money on was because they wanted it and that apparently is a solid vetting process. But this is people in my sphere, I dunno if it’s a thing.

      I used a Google TV stick and for sick of the bullshit ads and switched to a simple launcher. In reddit and lemmy threads, there are always highly up voted people who are happy to get “popular recommendations”.

      The generality, I feel like, is people are busy living their lives, don’t want to research and learn about everything in their life, and just go with what they see.

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        It’s gotten really difficult to research products, speaking as someone who does a lot of it, so I don’t think it’s about not wanting to do it.

        Go look for something like a good dehumidifier and it’s all seo-optimized bullshit barely hiding that it’s advertisements for cheap Chinese junk on Amazon. And nearly every link is like that. For pages upon pages worth of results.

        It’s so so difficult to judge what’s actually legit info and what isn’t. So I don’t blame people for asking other humans for what worked for them. You almost kinda have to unless you know of good legit review sites for every product you might want or need.

      • no banana
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        Tbh instagram is the only place I click all the ads. All because they’re so god damned weird.

        I never buy anything though.

    • @[email protected]
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      If I found out, say, my partner or a close friend clicked on ads, I would lose some respect for them.

    • @DaddleDew
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      I right click them and then in the drop down menu that appears I click “block element…”

    • @elrik
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      I’ve never clicked an ad on purpose. I use DNS to block all the common click thru domains for ads.

      This move by Microsoft will undoubtedly result in more Windows PCs infected by malware as people find tools to remove the ads and some of those tools will turn out to be malware.

    • Lemminary
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      I have on search results, but it was for something that I was already looking for. The ad had the same link to the web page as the result below. 🤷‍♂️

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        I intentionally skip these and click the normal link right below it lol. I also realized that I have clicked these in the past by accident because they don’t load… Since I block ads

    • @[email protected]
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      41 month ago

      That’s what they are testing. Hopefully you are just being silly. People click ads a lot, that’s why there are so many and it’s a multi billion dollar industry. They work.

    • nudny ekscentryk
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      noone ever does – Microsoft, Google and Facebook must be faking their reports on how effective their advertisement platforms are in order to boost their sales. the sales of ads, not the advertised products

    • Karyoplasma
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      Not once. I did willingly click on a sponsor link from a YT video once tho, it was for a rice cooker. I ended up getting a different one, but still.

  • @daddy32
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    Ads were already there for years - for Facebook, TikTok, Candy Crush, and who knows what else.

    I would say this is embarrassingly unprofessional, but the truth is this is just normal these days - normalized by Facebook and Android - and I’m just old and used to better software.

    I switched to Linux the same year they appeared.

  • @Bell
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    Microsoft is the school bully who keeps shoving you and saying: “what are you gonna do about it?”

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    i’ve been testing not using windows ever again. since 2004.

    it’s great.

    • @[email protected]
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      I already basically get that half the time I boot into windows after an update. They say “let’s finish setting up your PC” and try to get you to pay for one drive, office, even game pass.

      I’m so glad gaming on Linux has gotten to such a good state. I barely ever boot into windows now. (The “ad” on boot up is probably only once every few months, but that’s about as often as I boot into windows).

        • Cosmic Cleric
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          Personally I would suggest Fedora with KDE.

          It seems to me more robust with hardware support, it’s indirectly backed by a major company, it gets updates often to stay compatible for gaming, and one click gets you proprietary drivers/software support.

          • @Valmond
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            Yeah starting with Mint and then go further if you want to makes sense.

      • Brad Boimler
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        100% agree been using Linux for 15 years and will never stop plus once you learn everything there is to know about how Linux works if something breaks odds are you can fix it yourself or report it with logs faster if you contribute your self as well.

  • @Crafter72
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    Ah finally, Windows and Cheap chinese android phone have something in common. Ads in their built in bloatwares apps.

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        All android phone

        Not Fairphones. Fairphones are ad-free, bloatware-free and privacy-focused.

        • KptnAutismus
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          FP4 user here. while that is true, any android ROM with google services on it isn’t privacy-focused.

          but i don’t want to miss out on clash of clans, so here i am using their bullshit spyware.

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          Their mission is amazing but I’m not going to sit here and pretend any Google-laden Android isn’t also ad-laden.

          • @Burn_The_Right
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            The Murena Fairphones in the U.S. are de-googled. They have replacements for pretty much everything, including email. You can import your google contacts. You can import your google calendar into the de-googled calendar and access it from app or web just like the google version. The only google stuff on my fairphone is what I put on it myself. And I can still download and run every app on the google play store if I choose.

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              Murena Fairphone

              That’s awesome, never heard of this! I was referring to the stock Fairphones, which are absolutely Google-filled. But if someone is reselling them with all that crap stripped then that project is for sure worthy of recognition.

      • Brad Boimler
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        I would not say all some of us run Graphene OS with Google Play Services stripped from Android.

          • Brad Boimler
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            That is very true indeed but my battery lasts for 2 days though because of it so I’ll call that a win.

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                I’m guessing it’s a combination of general optimizations, Google Play services & store not having the same level of background and network capabilities, and more control over background apps in general.

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                  OK. I have no google services running but do not get amazing battery. Its probably because I have a couple of messaging apps awake in the background though. I tried self-hosting push notifications but didn’t get it working reliably.

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                So google play services on android along with Google store are installed in the root system the can basicly do whatever the want permission wise play services is always running in the background and is a huge battery drain by not having it installed at all you are gaining more battery life.

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        Consider most recent offering from china does not have Android One option, this statement is true. Few years ago Xiaomi sell several of their line up with Android One variant that strictly only contain Google Apps only.

        As long as your phone have snapdragon soc, most likely the community have made custom rom for that model. But if you want something more hardened out of the box like GrapheneOS, you’re out of luck.

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    I’m ok with promoted spots in a store, but in the core OS UI, fuck that.

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      This actually touches on a major issue with digital content and software as a service compared to the old models, that people don’t seem to quite grasp.

      It used to be you’d walk into a store, buy a thing, and leave. Businesses could only sell to you while you’re in the store. There was a clear delineation.

      What we’ve seen over the last couple decades is the increasing invasion of the store into your home. These businesses don’t want you to ever leave the store. You are meant to be living in it, at all times. There can never be any true escape unless you disconnect from the internet and disengage with modern technology.

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        I agree in general, but would like to point out that it is possible to escape. Not completely, but I have managed to set up an environment where it’s mostly fine. And by mostly fine I mean not perferct, but using somebody else’s device makes my eye twitch.

  • @WhatsHerBucket
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    Don’t worry, I’m sure there will be “pro” version that you can pay extra for no ads.

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    “Microsoft has been experimenting with ads inside Windows for more than 10 years.”

    *sigh*

    • deweydecibel
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      With Windows 10, you had much more control over the start menu. Windows 11 is further eroding control. That’s why they absolutely refuse to allow you to disable the Recommended section.

      The ability to disable it is present in the OS, but it’s restricted to Enterprise versions. Disabling an unneeded and annoying UI element is a Premium feature now. And as everyone said when they made that clear a few months ago, “that’s where the ads will go”.

      They’ll probably let you disable them, at least for now. But the fact you can’t disable the place for the ads is telling. We’ll see how they feel about letting you disable those ads in a few years.

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        Microsoft recommends the recommended section.

        I recommend Linux

        (Sorry)

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      It wasn’t real the first time, so I’m going to assume this isn’t real, either.

      The Linux fans keep making shit up, so I no longer trust them.

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        It was real the first time it just didn’t get past the test audience. Now MS is fine tuning the ads and trying to find a balance subtle enough to avoid a full on riot. They’ll get it worked out don’t worry just consume

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        How was it not real? Why are you blaming a tiny fraction of desktop users for the actions of an incredibly greedy corporation known to pull this shit? So strange

      • VindictiveJudge
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        That’s the magic of setting up a local account instead of a Microsoft account and actually turning shit off during the install sequence instead of just mindlessly clicking next. That said, I’m not sure you can do first time setup on Win11 with a local account. I know Win10 made it harder later on than on release. You can still set one up after the fact, but I’m not sure how useful it is on 11 since I refuse to install it.

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          You can skip the MS account, but it takes effort.

          Do NOT connect to the internet, or you’re hosed and will have to start over.

          SHIFT+F10 to get a command prompt.

          cd oobe

          bypassnro

          It’ll reboot and now you’ll have options to skip the MS account for a “limited experience”. Once you get a desktop, connect to the internet.

          • @TheGrandNagus
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            Man windows sounds complicated. Why do you have to open a terminal and do weird hacky workarounds for things

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              Not even ‘for things’ just to kinda own your own computer that you paid for (til they patch that)

          • @deafboy
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            You also choose an English (international) as your language, to avoid the preinstalled crapware in the start menu.

        • @Godnroc
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          You can, it’s just got a lot of hoops to jump through. Easier in the pro version for work, but I just set the email to [email protected] and then it errors out before letting you make a local account.

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          Also doing the setup as if your location is in Europe, you can still use the time zone and keyboard you want