Whenever they have a spike in demand, the de-regulated prices go up by several hundred percent. Example

  • Curious Canid
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    Energy pricing in Texas is managed for the benefit of the utilities, not their customers. Some of the people on non-fixed plans who got charged insane amounts just went bankrupt.

    Texas is a nearly perfect example of how the Republicans think everything should work.

    • @sartalon
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      Close but not correct.

      It’s an established marketplace, where legislated “middlemen” buy from the utilities and then sell to the consumer.

      You can’t actually buy directly from the utility generating the power without going through the marketplace.

      It is sold as a “free market” that would drive competition and keep prices down. In actuality, it just allows leaches, who don’t actually produce anything, to sit in the middle and suck money out of the economy.

      Sure some of them will lose money, while others will make a billion, but the system works just fine as a regulated controlled monopoly.

      Texas is a perfect example of Republican hypocrisy. The Governor, Lt Governor, State AG, etc… are quite literally the worst kind of politicians.

      I seriously dislike Sheila Jackson Lee, but I feel bad about her situation.

      I would laugh if that wheel chaired, piece of shit rolled off a cliff.

      I would laugh if Dan Patrick caught on fire.

      On second thought, I might use Ken Paxton to put out the fire, by that I mean, push him onto Dan, hoping he would catch on fire too.

      Shit, that went a lot darker than I intended.

      • @trolololol
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        Oh right I see here the old fallacy that economic agents have a full thorough understanding of all the choices and make fully rational decisions based on all the facts that exist, because why would you have facts not accessible to everyone?

        • @rekorse
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          If you have a point to make, say it.

          • @trolololol
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            Free market is a lie

            Economics is not a science

            Let the down votes come

    • @Mango
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      Texas; where people with power make extra money for specifically not doing good enough.

  • @Brokewood
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    That’s some next level owning the libs.

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    Just like to point out that Jerry Jones (the owner of the Dallas Cowboys) made almost $1 Billion, with a B, during the big freeze because he owns the natural gas fields and his good budy Governor Abbot said that wholesalers must sell for the max amount as allowed by law during that time, basically legalizing price gouging.

    • FenrirIII
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      If it’s Republicans, it’s legal.

  • @[email protected]
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    Most residents aren’t on these types of plans. The ones that are turn shit off, or pay through the nose.

    • @TexasDrunk
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      Generally the ones that are on those plans are the most vulnerable. I’ve got a fixed TXU plan. The up front cost of being on it was a couple of hundred bucks because I had bad credit at the time. The pay as you go variable rate places don’t have that up front cost and when it’s not peak times they’re significantly cheaper.

      Unfortunately they don’t always let people know in time when the rates spike. So these vulnerable people don’t even realize they should be turning shit off or they’re not home to do it or it’s a heat wave/ice storm where they could just fucking die if they turn off climate control.

      It’s been a fucking mess down here in Houston. My electricity came up pretty quickly and I was able to head west and grab a hotel for a night so I didn’t get heat stroke. I’m lucky. I was able to come back and eat the brisket I smoked before Beryl came through (I’m a stereotype, sue me). But there are people who still don’t have electricity in this fucking weather and there are others who have to decide between their fridge and their AC.

      I’m drunk, bitter, and pissed off tonight. So I’m gonna ramble.

        • @TexasDrunk
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          It is, but it wasn’t when I got on the plan. I happened to hit it at just the right time. I’ve been too lazy to shop around since then.

          I’m gonna take that advice. I’m up again in either November or December I think. I need to go look.

      • @Today
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        Drunk, bitter, and pissed off. That should be our state motto. Cheers!

  • @Triasha
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    Most of us don’t pay the market price hour to hour. Our electricity provider absorbs the risk of price spikes and raises our rates if the math stops working for them.

    Griddy was a provider that sells at the market rate, which is usually below the general price you would pay, but you take the risk of price spikes during peak demand.

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      I’ve done lots of tech projects within the retail energy industry in Texas - this is the right answer.

      To expand a little bit:

      Retail energy providers (REPs), like NRG, ClearSky, Just Energy, etc. make their money by forecasting the amount of energy that will be needed as far in advance as possible and purchasing that amount from power generators like CenterPoint and marking it up a few cents. The farther out, the cheaper they can get it. I’ve helped build forecasting engines for a few that ingest historical usage data from meters (all meters in Texas are smart meters), weather data, and others to use machine learning to forecast how much individuals will need and aggregate it together to help the energy traders make better informed trade decisions farther out.

      If they mess up or an unforeseen event happens and they don’t have enough energy bought for that time segment (forgot the term for a window of time they use), they have to go to the spot market which is where the prices fluctuate and can be many many multitudes higher than the rate the customers are contracted to pay.

      In a storm scenario or a freeze, it can be thousands of times more expensive because demand is so high and supply is so limited. This is when REPs go bankrupt if they don’t have the cash on hand.

      There are also insurance plans that the REPs pay for that cover very specific conditions for different types of events or outages that can kick in to cover the huge costs they would otherwise incur on their own buying electricity at that spot rate. I’ve known a few that were only able to stay operating because someone a few years prior had bought an insurance policy that covered said weather event.

      Griddy died because of the ice storm in Texas a few years ago and the huge costs people incurred. I actually met with their CIO the year prior as part of a technology assessment of their stack. Nice guy.

      Edit: also you can largely thank Enron and Rick Perry for deregulating Texas’ energy - which directly led to the terrible “performance” of the Texas grid during the winter storm Uri in 2021. Same for Enron in the constant blackouts in California in the early 2000’s.

  • @Triasha
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    I thank my lucky stars to be in San Antonio where we have municipal power.

    People complain about CPS (city public service) but we get a say in how the company is run and our bills are quite reasonable compared to the state average.

    • @HoustonHenry
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      Yeah, they’ll happily send you a bill without fixed rates as soon as they can

  • Pasta Dental
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    The article and comments here make me very happy to live in Quebec where the electricity is 0,067CAD per kWh for the first 40, then after it is 0,103CAD per kWh, and most of the time, that electricity is 100% renewable. In Québec we have many problems but the electricity is one big point to be proud of as a nation

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      A big part of that is it’s all state owned. Having private companies in charge of something as vital and important as energy infrastructure is just pure folly imo.