The Green Party leader has hired a GOP consulting firm and worked with Trump-affiliated lawyers.
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I’m sure the usual suspects will be along shortly to explain how this isn’t what it absolutely, positively is.
Our biggest offender would, but they’re currently serving a 3-day ban for Sealioning (public mod logs are awesome).
TIL there’s a public mod log
Yep! And I would suggest everyone look at.
Is there a link for this?
Don’t worry, he’ll return 2 Lemmy soon.
Hey there! You’re right.
Hi! :)
So you’re admitting to sea lioning? Bold move
Nope. But it’s public that I had a 3 day ban for it. Modlogs are public, friend.
Got it. That certainly makes everthing about you make a lot more sense. And I’m not your friend.
Friend, they have said it before because it’s true. They are just here to change how Americans vote in a way that leads to fascism, on purpose. If you believe that useless rules can be used to stop that, take it up with the mods. Thank youuuu!
So you don’t think rules can stop a single fascist from posting propaganda? They’ve been banned shit tons of times for it. Eventually they’ll be banned entirely.
No one takes them seriously here anyway.
[sea lion noises]
What an echo-chamber cop-out. Asking for claims to be backed up is trolling
Ah! Look what we have here, right on cue.
Yessir, reporting to defend democracy from efforts to keep candidates off ballots
Lol, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Defending democracy… By working as hard as possible to elect the guy who wants to end it!
Weird flex.
Banning political opponents from participating in an election is the end of democracy already.
Nobody is banning anyone from participating in an election. Want to be on the ballot? Follow the state rules. Otherwise, mount a write-in campaign.
Now address the fact that you are working as hard as possible to elect the guy who wants to end democracy.
Its hard to beat American intolerance isnt it. Democrats shout everyone should get along while throwing shit at multiple groups. Republicans just do the throwing shit part.
This country needs to wash the shit off their hands and learn how to actually work together for a change.
I’m with ya, brother!
“Anything to beat the ‘duopoly’ of political parties, even if the party is tainted by neo-fascist dark money!”
Absolutely wild mental gymnastics lol
They really want a viable third party that peddles red fascism, BSW style.
Which party isnt tainted by neo-facist dark money?
You can spare Lemmy the whataboutisms with this one. Everyone is taking a little money from everyone else, but:
Neo-fascists absolutely prefer giving to the Republican Party above all other major parties and vice versa. It’s an open-and-shut case. Hardliners in the party routinely echo anything and everything that gets them brownie points from dictators and the country’s most degenerate billionaires.
The Democratic Party is not perfect (Israel being the elephant in the room, but make no mistake, Bibi 100% wants Trump back in office). But if anyone is pushing back against the return of fascism the most it’s the Dems. And you can see that in hostilities from Republicans and authoritarian governments alike.
The Green Party’s main candidate accepted gifts from the Russian Federation through their news network RT, which is basically a propaganda machine for the government which owns them. Stein’s ads openly said in 2016 that the Greens wanted Hillary to lose, fearmongering nuclear war with Russia. And this year it’s the same old shit with her: just make the Dems lose.
(Side note, Sputnik hired PSL’s Eugene Puryear as a long-time host. Also, PSL also has absolutely insane foreign positions. Like I’ll be the first to say the West is absolutely an imperfect cultural entity, but you don’t gotta just hand it to Putin or Kim Jong Un because they also have a problem with the hegemony.)
You should maybe learn a bit more about “whataboutism” because you seem to not be aware of when to apply it.
What I am saying is, if you dislike the green party because Russian money has made it into their coffers, but you won’t apply the same standard to democrats, then you are a hypocritical, and your message fails in my opinion.
If you think the democrats have the strongest stance against facism, you don’t understand the meaning of the word facism.
The democrats haven’t moved this country away from facism meaningfully in any way. They move the country towards profit, thats it. The republicans and democrats disagree on how to profit off the worlds misery and to what extent, but both are fascists.
The irony that americans can’t see how close republicans and democrats are in their intolerance and abuse of others.
Democrats: “We want to abuse non-white folk in other countries for profit!”
Republicans: “we want to abuse our own people to make profit!”
If you really think anyone who’s critical of the democrats is a shill or some other bullshit, then I wish you the best but thats a childish perspective.
Probably at the stage where it turns into ‘it doesn’t matter since she won’t win anyway, this is just a protest vote to show support for third party.’
Third party that are just Russians. What a pathetic way to protest.
Nope.
Democrats: “If you don’t vote for Kamala you’re a Russian.”
If you actively go to the polls and while you’re there – instead of voting for Kamala Harris, the only viable candidate against Trump’s pro-Russia fascism – you choose to vote for a Russia-planted spoiler candidate and you live in a state that’s not safe red or safe blue, then yes, you are pro-Putin’s regime, and you unequivocally suck ass as a person.
That’s not very nice.
If you go cast your vote at the polls and you’re so braindead that you can’t fathom another third-party candidate is running without being a Russian agent in disguise, and you’re so scared that your candidate that you’ve convinced yourself is a perfect deity still might lose to a lunatic, then maybe you should re-evaluate why it is that people no longer trust Democrats blindly like you think they should.
The only reason she loses is cause the peasants didn’t know what was good for the economy.
And what about the huge group of people who care more about morals than money? Just fuck them? Oh no, I forgot, they are Russians right?
Do you really not see how your intolerance is exactly the same as republicans? You know you can vote democrat and still criticize them too right?
I think I love you a little bit more with each post. Have my upvote, brother!
Let he who hasn’t dined at the same table as Putin cast the first stone.
What do you mean that’s everyone but Jill?
Hey, Michael Flynn was there, too.
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Using your logic, Obama is a Russian agent too.
Quoting verbatim from a previous comment of mine because it’s literally not worth my time to come up with something original to the same exact stupid, worthless argument:
Third-party fringe candidate who gets less than 1% of the vote having dinner with Putin, Trump’s national security advisor who was later arrested for lying to the FBI about his ties to Russia, and several major Russian political figures before an election in which Russian interference provably helped Trump win.
The US president acting in an official capacity and meeting with the leader of a major world power.
“They’re the same picture.”
Boy,
Russian botsJill Stein stans are really tripping over each other to see who’s the biggest, dumbest idiot, aren’t they?Democrat Stans really are tripping all over each other to see who’s the biggest, most intolerant facist, aren’t they?
You mean the same investigation that found no evidence that Jill Stein was working with Russia? Let me guess, in your mind she’s so deep and undercover that it is more about a feeling than needing any evidence at all.
Edit: TheTechnician said it far better than I did.
Leftists: The Green Parry isn’t a throwaway vote at all! Here’s my 40 paragraph manifesto that explains it all with YouTube links and op-ed opinion pieces to validate the proof!
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Catch a glimpse of yourself in the mirror?
“No you.”
Compelling argument. /s
Almost as convincing as you calling a US citizen in Washington state a Chinese Government agent. Maybe if you want to be taken seriously in the future, actually provide some facts or say something productive.
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LMAO yep, that’s pretty much the sentiment in these parts lately. And people are only gonna get meaner about it too.
You called it!
The same ones that jillsplain to everyone how her sitting there with Putin is no big deal.
You mean Shillsplain?
Even better.
Y’all literally sound as dumb as the Republicans sometimes. Its embarrassing to be associated with the democrat party these last few months I’ll say.
democrat party
Hm.
I like her.
Right?! Oh wait…
With all this stuff about Jill coming out, it’s no wonder all the Lemmy.ml and Hexbears are so supportive of her. She’s a Russian asset!
What is the Russian word for Wumao?
It could just be she made a career out of unsucessfully running for president and doesn’t care where the money came from.
That’s supposedly how the whole Trump mess started.
You mean him just wanting to make money by running for president never actually expecting to run and regretting every minute of it while trying to be so vile he could never get elected again only to realize that’s what his base wants?
Are you confusing the Green candidate, Jill Stein with Claudia De la Cruz, the PSL candidate?
She does deserve praise for taking the correct stance regarding Gaza, but the general consensus of the Greens as a whole is that they’re useless because unlike PSL, they don’t organize between elections.
She doesn’t give a shit about Gaza.
Idk, its not like she’s ambivalent. She seems to actually support the genocide.
What has she said that makes you believe that?
She’s against sending weapons to Israel and she’s participated in the protests.
So much hard work.
She’s more anti Israel than quite literally every single member of the dem party.
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No, she’s not. I’m not sure when you people became indistinguishable from magats but man I hope some of you at least start to pretend to be normal like you guys almost did during Obama’s first run.
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Two of those aren’t news outlets, pardoning anyone that damages federal property is objectively a good thing.
Talk is cheap.
What do you expect her to do? Try to tackle Netanyahu into the Irish Embassy so he can be arrested and set to the Hague?
She could just have the police grab him. And, yes, hold him in jail until he gets a date for transfer to the Hague.
Jill Stein does not control the police.
Well, does she want votes or campaign money for doing nothing?
She wants to stop the genocide in Gaza, making both the candidates look bad by openly opposing it pressures them to make their policy less dogshit. If winning was more important to democrats than genocide, they’d drop the genocide. Sadly, it seems they’d rather lose the election than stop the genocide.
Of course they organize between elections. Just because the news doesn’t cover it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. They have parties in local office doing work year round
I’m not saying she’s not a Russian asset, anyone could be including the people spreading this rumor with no supporting evidence. It’s become a joke online that Democrats will now call anyone they disagree with a Russian asset.
For some reason, on one hand Democrats will claim that peace negotiations between Israel & Palestine are a good thing, but how dare she say that peace negotiations between Ukraine & Russia are important too.
Jill Stein has called Putin a war criminal while Kamala campaigns with a war criminal (Dick Cheney).
When did “Dick” Cheney campaign for Harris? He said he was voting for her rather than the felon. That’s it. Liz Cheney is the one who spoke at a Harris campaign, not her father.
He didn’t. And Stein refused to say Putin is a war criminal. John Richard is in here lying through his teeth.
Yeah, you’re wrong and spreading misinformation like the average cultist.
https://www.instagram.com/drjillstein/p/DAHhwbTSG2p/
There are multiple articles showcasing where she has, but what you won’t find is a single article of Genocide Joe or Kamala calling Netanyahu a war criminal. They’re saying… You did such a good job killing all those women and children Netanyahu, here is a $8.7 billion dollar thank you check.
Genocide Joe
Where have I seen this playground terminology before? Not that I want to support Biden’s policy on Israel in any way, it’s despicable, but a Stein apologist using Trump’s own puerile rhetoric raises an eyebrow.
Are you suggesting Trump would ever attack Biden for facilitating a genocide in Gaza? They agree on that policy!
Not that I want to support Biden’s policy on Israel in any way, it’s despicable
So then don’t do it. Don’t lie for Joe & Kamala by attacking anyone who says something negative, even when true.
Kamala has some good qualities in addition to her bad statements on the Palestine & the Middle East situation. The only way Democrats will change their bad qualities is if people stop sugarcoating the truth for them.
Calling people Russian agents that call out the cultist & attack dogs for Democrats does nothing to help them or the party. It only makes you and them seem as fanatical & unhinged as Republicans calling every Democrat a commie.
Says the person that just said:
gEnOciDe Joe.
Lol your defense of her is “anyone could be a Russian asset!” is like a textbook denial list. What’s the next stage?
The next stage is for you to call me a Russian agent for saying something you don’t like. Textbook denialism would be you presenting facts showing she is loyal to Russia, or working intentionally on their behalf, and then me denying it. Thus far your “evidence” is a Salon article with a headline that doesn’t even represent the story and makes baseless accusations.
Nah you’re just a lier, that’s all.
I didn’t realize I presented evidence of anything, but ok.You haven’t. That’s my point is that the blue MAGA cultists here are claiming Jill Stein works for Russia but they don’t have any facts to support it. They’re mad that facts don’t support their feelings.
claiming Jill Stein works for Russia but they don’t have any facts to support it.
Everyone in this photo works for Putin and were there at the behest of Putin. Two Americans are in this photo. One was put in jail for a while because they lied about working for foreign actors, least of which is Russia. I’ll leave it to you to see who the other one is.
All this evidence of Stein actively using GOP (and thus Russia) aligned assets/money and refusing to denounce Russia in any capacity until forced, only further drives nails in the coffin.
Take a hike.
LOL… you got your 4chan QANON proof right there. A photo with little arrows without any facts or evidence that Jill Stein works for Putin. Jill Stein called Putin a war criminal. It’s really rich that you demand politicians call out war criminals, but you’re not demanding that Biden or Harris call Netanyahu a war criminal. You know who else Russia helped? Bernie Sanders. According to your logic, if Russia helped Bernie Sander’s campaign then he must be a Russian agent.
You know there is this thing called talks with world leaders on a global stage as a politician, and this picture is nothing more than you desperately trying to paint a narrative without any supporting facts. You don’t even attempt to provide facts, but instead hope that most users will be a desperate as you are to ignore them thinking it will somehow make Trump lose.
Just like the lap dogs that were here after the debate between Biden & Trump saying Biden did amazing and sounded sharp as a tack. Need I remind you, Biden was losing to Trump at that time in the polls by over 4 points and was on pace to cause Democrats to lose the House & Senate. Your way of helping almost cost Democrats chances of winning in 2024.
Oh, here’s a picture for you BTW that using your logic shows that Biden works for Putin.
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If you have some magical proof that I’m a shill then post it, otherwise shut up and stop pretending that you’re anything more than a thoughtless blue MAGA cultist.
blue MAGA cultist.
This is why everyone thinks you’re a shill.
There is no such thing.
there’s definitely a blueanon.
LOL
Sure thing.
When someone asks, “do you get paid by the word or paid by the post,” then yes there is such a thing as blue MAGA. Blue MAGA is a reference to the Democrat cultist that sugarcoated Biden’s condition prior to and after the debate. A majority of the Blue MAGA cult here were calling people Russian agents that said Joe should step down, but now like you’re doing, they pretend otherwise. Maybe if you want to win an election you should stop sending the message to Democrats that they don’t have to be accountable, and that you’ll run around trying to censor anyone who calls out issues like genocide in the Middle East and them selling out to corporate donors. Like you’re so scared Trump might win, that you’re initial reaction to anything negative is to just make shit up. You know who makes stuff up and spreads conspiracies? Project much?
Ah, yes, the elusive blua maga who… (Checks notes)… Calls out shills.
Yes, very much the same as getting a trump tattoo. Or covering a truck in maga. Or a golden trump statue. Or dressing up as trump at a wedding. Or… Crap I don’t want to think about it.
Go away with the nonsense and make up bullshit somewhere else please.
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No, but I like your projection. How much do you get paid?
blue MAGA
There’s your proof. It’s like a shibboleth.
Stop trying to make blue maga a thing.
When has she campaigned with dick? Show me.
I don’t really know how to respond to that since you put “dick” in lowercase. If you want to conflate campaign with, with tour with, then by all means go read a dictionary. But if you want to see videos of Harris praising Dick Cheney, thanking him for his support & his service to this country, claiming, that he represents a “healthy” two-party system, then I can send you videos of the campaign events where she’s touring around with his daughter while she makes those statements.
So no, Dick Cheney did not campaign with Harris. At least you admit it.
Do you often make arguments up in your own head so you can feel like you won?
I don’t. But you sure do lol.
Kamala campaigns with a war criminal (Dick Cheney).
When pressed you people turn Dick into his daughter. It’s pretty entertaining watching you flail around so much. Please , go on.
🍿So you never actually read any responses and just went with whatever narrative fit your world view? Seems sad. Anyway Google Harris dick Cheney and pick your favorite propaganda outlet, even Fox says it’s real and a step towards biaprtisanship that hurts trump somehow
Cheney endorses Kamala… starts speaking out against Trump, and Kamala starts praising Dick Cheney saying he’s one of the good ones and then goes on tour with Liz Cheney his daughter who has never renounced her father’s war crimes. Yeah, okay… totally, that is normal to have a war criminal endorse you and then boast about it and praise them afterwards.
Uh huh, anyways. Let’s see those campaign photos or videos of Dick Chaney with Harris.
We’ll wait.Again, pick up a dictionary. Campaigning together doesn’t mean that they have to be seen together. It can be Dick Cheney doing public interviews saying how he’s voting for Harris, while Harris is praising him saying:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7S-Sk2TbdjE
And that she’s honored to have their endorsement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNVoSdUHw5I
My favorite is the lady standing behind her while she calls Dick Cheney a leader who is well respected with wide eyes like “Kamala, why are you so stupid to say that and do it in front of me?!?”
So lies. Got it.
No, if you can’t read a dictionary there is nothing I can say to convince you that water is wet.
Nothing you can say can hurt me lol. Just resorting to personal attack means I already won. Thank you goodbye
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Is it any different than a socialist that accuses anyone that disagrees with them of being a genocide supporter?
I mean if you keep funding genocide to the tune of billions when kids can’t eat at school and veterans are homeless, it’s not not supporting genocide.
Tell us you have no idea how any of this works after it’s been already been explained to you a thousand times without telling us you have no idea how any of this works after it’s been already been explained to you a thousand times.
The “funding of genocide” as you call it is actually an agreement that the US has had with Israel for decades. And unless you know exactly what that agreement details, and have a firm understanding of how nuanced diplomacy works outside of video games, I’d suggest that instead of being a smart-ass on the internet about things you don’t understand- you read up on how it all works.
Because it Is in NO WAY supporting genocide to continue a pact agreed upon. And if you think the US can just cancel that- you REALLY need to brush up on how this shit actually works in the real world.
It’s VERY complicated.
NPR had leading experts on this exact thing a few mornings ago. Even they said when asked why the US continues to uphold this agreement- that it isn’t easy to get out of these things without escalating the situation.
So unless you know more about this than they do- maybe stop arguing with everyone when they tell you you’re wrong.
Insurrectionist*
…I would argue that even insurrectionist is being far, far too lenient. They should be called terrorists. But, yeah, calling them “rioters”…barf.
They should be called terrorists.
Stein’s campaign also paid $100,000 to a consulting firm, Accelevate, that has worked with Republican campaigns for signature-gathering services.
This is now the bar for “terrorism”?
Um, what? I’m commenting on the corporate media’s insistence on calling the insurrectionists “rioters”. I think even the term insurrectionist is a bit of a euphemism.
I’m commenting on the corporate media’s insistence on calling the insurrectionists “rioters”.
Oh, that. I mean, that was a riot in a very classic sense. To call it an insurrection feels romantic, relative to what amounted to a massive adult baby temper tantrum that left a handful of people dead. Insurrections tend to have stronger leadership and more strategy.
That is a shockingly
harshsick burn. Holy shit.Edit: still love it. Can’t stop thinking about how well this casually and truthfully states it.
you: le government is bad, crooked and corrupt. We must seize the means of production!
also you: omg, those inshurexionists… they made the government poopy their pants and punched some cops (we love cops now) TERRORISTS!
Is this even real?
Ahh yes, seizing the means of production by nullifying a democratic election. Look at what the longshoremen are doing on the East Coast, that is seizing the means comrade.
Nuance would be your friend, if you understood it. There’s a difference between a fascist uprising, a populist uprising, and a revolution. At this point the leftists understand that one can be far more effective online than in person, and they are killing you into a false sense of security. Marx is your friend, especially Groucho and Karl. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, and Adolf Eichmann are not.
Looking realistically at the situation, it was an ineffective riot by some clods. Knowing that and watching the politicos cower for once should bring joy to the heart of anyone who has had to deal with the system. I mean… unless you actually are a statist at heart. Then it was a great insult to the power structure.
Whoever swallows the rrats and takes great offense literally outs themselves. I’m sure they’ll downvote away but fake internet points don’t take away the stench of being a phony.
Ahh, thanks for clearly stating where you align. I’m no statist, but just from your description, you’re clearly a statist apologist.
Disregarding the fact that that particular insurrection was incited by a sitting president, those insurrectionists were and are unrepentant bigots that chose violence over the social contract. That you defend them in any aspect merely shows your own reliance on the status quo.
Come back to me when you are actually willing to throw your own comfort aside, when the cops are around. I do so every single time I see a fucking pig.
Come back to me when you are actually willing to throw your own comfort aside, when the cops are around. I do so every single time I see a fucking pig.
Based
[…] unless you actually are a statist […]
Well then.
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I mean if you believe in democratic ownership of the economy then trying to undermine the democracy is basically treason.
Reality though is we’re voting for one faction of elites and another, less competent but more brutal set of elites via an election that has the trappings of democracy. Stealing that is depriving the public of the tiny crumb of choice we have, which honestly should bring out the bloodlust against the Jan 6th people. Why take away our final bit of control?
You’re basically making the argument “Its just a crumb of democracy, why bother?” but for most people in the US it is the last remaining crumb of control over our government and expecting people to surrender it entirely to elites is some insane shit.
Elites here are generally the economic elites: Musk, Gates, Bezos, other corporate CEOs who would love nothing more than to take away the public’s final bit of influence over government.
they made the government poopy their pants
If this had been a private property owned by one of your favorite mega-corps rather than the legislature’s main office, I suspect you libertarians would be singing a different tune.
What is it about the Non-Aggression Principle that just melts away for the Reich-Wing Party when its a mob of anti-immigrant psychos busting a cop’s head open with a flag pole?
I’m an insurrectionary anarchist. please don’t associate them with me.
You have my upvote!
Same, when I saw Jan 6 my first thought was “damn imagine if we anarchists could organize like that and just storm the government”. Hopefully one day
I was shouting “wrong side” at my tv screen. for some reason I thought there would be a black bloc out that day.
I laughed while muttering, “they’re doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.”
Nothing about this story or Jill is important except for one thing. She is aligned with Putin in denying Ukraine weapons to defend itself. She may not be purposefully supporting Putin but she is supporting his position and making his position stronger ignoring Putin’s past patterns of behavior.
I wonder where she got the money from?
Uncle Putin?
Her trust fund. (And other rich idiots who think giving her money cleans them of sins of capitalism)
She’s just a rich bored kid who wants the attention like pretty much all politicians these days other than the prostitutes the Republicans bring in to slow proceedings in a way they expect to be able to control by being the source of their money.
Dick Cheney? Oh wait, that is the war criminal an actual Presidential candidate is campaigning with.
That’s a nice change from the genocide stuff!
Jill was always a double agent
@[email protected], your thoughts?
I think he’s still under his temporary ban ;)
Only 21 hours to go before we get graced with their wonderful presence again!
Oh, phew. I was worried my clown signal was broken. I’ll try again.
Oh boy, I can’t wait to see more sealioning, fake positivity and condescension from them!
Oh, wait. I have them blocked. Oh well!
You can’t see this, but my positivity is not fake. I’m just happy. Thank you!
Wait, am I famous? You guys were actually talking about me while I was gone?! Really! Oh wow, I feel sorta honored. Thank you!
*“infamous”
Actually I like that word better! Imma update my profile with that!
Wait! Dammit, I can’t. If I do, then it’ll just be a barrage of “You have the worst case of Main Character Syndrome ever!!” comments. So I’ll just note this mentally. But thank you!
Awww…temporary? Why?
Honestly, I think the mods should be promoted to sainthood for the level of patience they’ve shown with Monk (who as of late runs what seems to be a community related to MGTOW but without the toxicity called MRTOW) which is so beyond what I feel I’m capable of. I hope Monk appreciates the level of leeway they’ve been given here.
I’m honestly not sure if sainthood is the way I’d put it. It feels negligent to me. But in fairness I’d love to hear the mods perspective on what they consider the threshold for trolling. It almost feels like it’s a secondary offense here. Like they won’t ban you for trolling, it’s got to be trolling aaaand [pejoratives|hate speech|etc].
Is this MRTOW/MGTOW just mask-off incel shit? I think it would fine to ban that level of toxicity permanently.
Except that MRTOW expressly doesn’t allow the toxicity. I’m not an incel. I have a gf and kids.
Now if you wanna make an argument that I’m an idiot or something, ok, cool. But MRTOW is just celebrating men not actually getting married because the justice system is still skewed in a lot of ways when it comes to division of assets.
It’s not anti-women. It’s anti-marriage. I love women, just not marriage. MRTOW is not related to the current MGTOW movement–which IS incels now.
Thank you!
Well at least it’s been proven that I don’t get preferential treatment, so now people can stop saying that!
The fact you weren’t perma-banned for the amount you spam this community with propaganda is unambiguous proof that you’re treated with kid gloves.
Dude, I just came off of a 3-day ban for “sealioning.” And the mods have mentioned more than once that they think I have idiotic opinions.
You think that stuff is kid gloves?! Say wat, mate?! lol
I love how the one downvote on this comment only appeared after a certain someone’s ban had expired 🤣
I thought that username felt familiar, so I clicked through to their profile. Yup, already blocked lol.
lmao same
I like her. I’m not voting for her, but I still like her. Thanks for asking!
The Green Party in the USA is f’n weird.
The Green Party has no incentive to act professionally because voters cannot punish them electorally for it.
They also, unlike their voters, understand there is no possibility of electoral success. So there is no positive incentive for it either.
Well said.
In Nevada, the Democratic Party initiated a lawsuit to exclude the Green Party from the ballot, claiming the party used the wrong form to collect signatures from voters. The Green Party appealed the case and was represented by Jay Sekulow, an attorney who defended Trump throughout his impeachment trials (last week, the Nevada Supreme Court rejected Stein’s bid to be put back on the ballot).
In Wisconsin, Democratic National Committee employee David Strange sought to remove Stein from the ballot by arguing the Green Party can’t nominate presidential electors without legislative candidates eligible to do so. The Wisconsin Supreme Court declined to hear the case. Stein was again legally represented by a Trump-affiliated lawyer, Michael D. Dean, who was involved in lawsuits that attempted to overturn the results of the 2020 election, the Journal reported.
From another article:
The affidavit originally submitted with the Green Party’s petition in July 2023 was the correct one. However, because the petition that the Green Party submitted contained a separate mistake, an employee in the secretary of state’s office sent the party a sample petition that included the wrong affidavit – for use with petitions to put initiatives and referenda on the ballot. As a result, the affidavits that the Green Party later submitted with its petitions did not contain the attestation required for access to the ballot.
The secretary of state eventually announced that the Green Party had submitted enough signatures to qualify for the 2024 general election ballot.
The Nevada Democratic Party went to state court in June of this year, arguing that the signatures were invalid because the Green Party had used the wrong affidavit.
On Aug. 12, the state trial court ruled in favor of the Green Party, but on Sept. 6 a divided Nevada Supreme Court reversed. It concluded that the attestation that the Green Party had failed to include “serves an essential purpose.” Therefore, the majority reasoned, allowing the Green Party to have its candidates on the ballot when it had not fulfilled all of the prerequisites to do so would nullify “the requirements that were put in place for the public’s benefit.”
SCOTUS ruled with the Nevada Supreme Court and chose to keep the Green Party off the ballot. Their only real mistake here was really just some legal red tape filled out incorrectly. It doesn’t really matter if Jill Stein is a terrible candidate or not, the two party system will clearly go to the ends of the earth to kill 3rd parties from every becoming a thing lol. I guess it matters more for democrats since green party would be taking out more of their votes than republicans.
The affidavit originally submitted with the Green Party’s petition in July 2023 was the correct one. However, because the petition that the Green Party submitted contained a separate mistake, an employee in the secretary of state’s office sent the party a sample petition that included the wrong affidavit – for use with petitions to put initiatives and referenda on the ballot. As a result, the affidavits that the Green Party later submitted with its petitions did not contain the attestation required for access to the ballot.
Wow.
Wow, Dems actually exercised power in a legal manner to improve their chances. That is wild. Hope they don’t break their backs slapping themselves.
They will always do it so long as it weakens the left. The DNC exists to badger any left of center movement toward their center right position, and even put DNC funds to extremist right winger campaigns boosting Christian nationalist platforms… learning nothing from clintons pied piper failures only pushing us all closer to a fascist hellscape just to say guess we vote blue since we have nowhere else to go. Fuck Jill Stein and all but this is the exact shit that leaves me voting for literally any socialist instead.
And the left exists to siphon votes towards the right. See? Unsubstantiated claims work both ways.
Its funny because Jill Stein being a shill is an unsubstantiated claim too.
Because everyone uses their opposition’s lawyers when there’s thousands of other choices. Additionally, everyone refuses to call a war criminal a war criminal when asked- several times.
It’s only unsubstantiated to people who refuse to accept it.
She put out an official statement saying Putin is a war criminal. Thats like a reverse uno substantiated claim!
She was grilled over and over again, and side-stepped the question every time. Putting out a statement afterwards is simply her doing damage control. Anyone with any common sense that’s paying attention would have had no problem answering the question when asked.
There is no defense for her shilling.
NONE.
I mean I agree with everything you said about democrats, but I don’t view voting as some endorsement of a system or party. I vote for the conditions I want to organize under.
Fair enough. Thats why I usually downballot blue too. At best it prevents local rightwingers from gaining momentum and at worst it gives the DNC enough rope to hang themselves with.
I only see the system changing in two scenarios short of civil war or coup. Either the dnc will lose and all the less privileged libs who wont collaborate with the fash join the fight, creating an actual resistance OR the dems will sweep a super majority and continue to enact right wing policies for the entire term with no excuses, disenfranchising young voters and creating a vacuum for a third party.
See also: the Dems suing to kick Claudia De La Crúz off the ballot in Georgia and PA. “Democrats” in name-only.
Exactly! Good point!
Sort of upsetting all your up votes are from people that are happy Nevada “beat” Jill Stein, which is not really the point I think you are making.
I agree that its shameful behavior from the democrats. I wish they would consider why they’ve lost 2 million people to the Green party rather than try to ban them.
I was referencing the amount of votes they got in recent elections, although in 2016 it was 1.5 million not 2, so my bad there.
The DNC seems overly happy to use bureaucracy as a cludgel to reduce options “legally” to themselves.
While I get the fear beating down your competition in an underhanded manner doesn’t inspire a whole lot of good will and also seems extremely unlikely to get the people you have just disenfranchised to vote on your side.
They resist any movement or adoption of new policy in favor of it staying as stagnant as possible. It’s a deeply confusing and long term failing idea. Just look at how Kamala is now polling worse with each passing week. She felt like change and initial momentum of “joy” was able to carry her a little but it’s not a permanent state and the initial dopamine is running out.
I honestly feel it. They took the high road for like a month. Back to slinging shit though they go. What a joke. How is anyone supposed to trust them?
They had the momentum of a new candidate and it was full of excitement for new policy then she was seemingly told to not change things still.
I mean literally pro gun and loose company first economic policies are early 2000 Republican policy. So now it’s instead just focus on how shitty the orange bastard is, which is a low bar to easily walk over.
It really does feel disingenuous to blame people uninspired by that and to claim it’s a fixing party. I get the other option but people need to not act like angels when stagnant bullies that refuse to budge or listen anymore.
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I have more respect for people who don’t vote then I do for people who vote for her.
And I do NOT respect people who don’t vote at all.
It’s no wonder why the .ml users love her so much.
The friend of their friend is their friend.
That is a tough call for sure. I’d have to see their down ballot votes before I decide. If they took time out of their day to be a full clown, yeah, at least the person sitting it out didn’t waste any paper while doing nothing.
I wish she’d go away tbh.
Well, she didn’t pay it.
The US Green Party, and all other minor parties, have no incentive to act professionally or nominate serious candidates because voters can’t really punish it electorally for nominating shit candidates or other screw-ups by the party.
Green Party electoral results:
Libertarian Party electoral results:
Working Families Party electoral results:
Constitution Party electoral results:
The WFP uses electoral fusion to join with Democrats. Don’t lump them in with Constitution (far right), LP (far right), or Green (pure spoiler, doesn’t work with Democrats, never makes efforts to keep the far right out).
Under the WFP ticket, they have members elected to the Philadelphia City Council. There are members of the WFP currently up for election through fusion, running under the Democratic ticket. Lets take a look here at a few things…
In 2015, NY WFP ran 111 candidates, and won 71 local offices.. Ed Gomes became a member of the CT Senate.
In 2017, Josh Hall won in CT House of Reps.
They are new to many areas. CA in 2022 for example. Sue Altman is the WFP leader in NJ, and is currently running under the Democrat ticket.
This is the really important bit.
Like, we need third parties, but running them in federal elections is at best a dog-and-pony act, and at worst, a useful agent for the least-aligned party via the spoiler effect.
Even if a third party candidate miraculously won the presidency, they would be cockblocked their entire term.
The way they are now is an insult to democracy.
If they really wanted to do be effective, they’d best be working together where goals align. And where goals should align for all of them, voting reform and moving off FPTP, would be a damn good place to start.
But they don’t want to be effective. They just want to pop up every 4 years, get some money, con a few suckers into thinking that voting for them will give them a clean conscience, then disappear back into their hole. Giant fucking scam, all of them.
If they really wanted to do be effective, they’d best be working together where goals align.
This is what the WFP does. They have a number of members running as Democrats, or put their endorsement to democrats, where needed (or where they don’t have ballot access and need to run as Democrat).
They don’t belong in NateNate60’s list.
like Trump, she is VERY old
