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“OMG guys look. Nazis were a specific group in Germany circa the 1940’s. Elon is just a massive, authoritarian loving racist, okay? Not a Nazi. Read a dictionary.”
God I wish I just came up with that joke myself instead of basing it on real arguments I’ve heard. 😮💨
If he’s not from the Nazi region of Germany, he’s not real Nazi, he’s just a sparkling fascist. 🧐
(Not an original comment, but it’s too good not to recycle)
I’ve gotten really wary of people when they start splitting hairs:
- “Nazis were a specific group in Germany”
- “What’s happening is Gaza isn’t a real genocide”
- “Hebephilia is not the same as pedophilia”
- “cartoon animal sex isn’t the same as beastiality”
I mean…yeah, ok. You’re not wrong in adding that one to the pile, but also it’s really weird that was your instinctive go-to on this subject.
We’re over here talking about genocide, and hate, and war, and death. You’re over here like “Hey, don’t forget how some people find looney toons sexy!”
Lol ok that’s fair
Ouch, some folks ain’t gonna like this comment
Oh I know. Im not sorry. They know why wanking to animal sex isn’t right.
Drawings can’t hurt you, dawg.
While I do agree, we definitely should not venture into drawing underage girls having sex. It’s a drawing but it’s still fucked up
Why bring that up? We’re having a wholesome convo about bestiality and you gotta ruin it? Smh my head.
Never said they do. I’m just describing a certain subset of people.
I mean I’m not into it, but I would also not call sex between anthropomorphic cartoon characters that take on the qualities of animals the same as animal sex. It’s basically mythical creature sex. I mean would it be animal sex if someone was into, for example, centaur sex? Because we’re essentially talking about creatures that look somewhat like the animals they are supposed to be, but more more like humans.
I have yet to see a rabbit or a mouse that look especially close to Bugs or Mickey.
Again, not my thing, but I wouldn’t classify it in the same category as bestiality and I would guess that a lot of people into that would not be into actual animal sex at all.
Im pretty sure you’re not into it. But it’s the same thing as little girl cartoon sex. It ain’t right.
It’s not the same at all. A little human girl in a cartoon is still a little human girl. You show me one real mouse that looks like Mickey.
Again, is being into centaur sex being into bestiality? Or can we acknowledge the fact that fictional creatures are not the same as real ones?
People actually into bestiality help perpetuate animal cruelty. Lumping the people into anthropomorphic animal sex in cartoons into that group is really unfair and unkind to them just because you don’t approve of their specific kink.
It isn’t, but they’re still wrong’uns if you ask me.
Enjoying watching animals having sex is beastiality. It is wrong, I agree.
“It’s not beastiality”.
“Well that doesn’t mean it’s beastiality”
Lol
“Oh yeah?! Show me his card as a member of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei and prove me he was involved in the Holocaust”
“You can’t, because he’s not a NAZI”
Isn’t that why we have the term neonazi? Nothing watered-down about that!
I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
Who could have guessed that the rich white South African would turn out to be a white supremacist?
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And Space Karen also believes he has diplomatic immunity.
Fuck off. Being South African has nothing to do with this guy’s bullshit.
Edit: ppl downvoting this fact without even attempting to back up the contrary are idiots and cowards.
I don’t think they’re saying each item individually.
Sorry but, no. Stereotypes are bad.
He’s a white supremacist. That’s all that matters here.
Except South Africa has a specific history where being a white South African, raised in the era in which he was raised, can be expected to have a very relevant influence on how he sees the world.
Everyone of race X who lived in location Y at time Z thinks the same
No. This is textbook bigotry. You’re literally implying all white people around his age who were raised in South Africa are just like him.
That’s fucked up.
Look, my last comment left out the word “rich”, the original I replied to used it. As far as I’m concerned, any rich white South African from the apartheid era is sus as fucking fuck, at a bare minimum. Onus is on THEM to prove they aren’t monsters.
If that’s bigotry to you, you have a lot of growing up to do. This kind of nonsense purity testing is the reason the left remains a fucking meme.
ETA: Ah, you even put words in my mouth, “just like him”. Did I make such a claim? What I said in the first place is that growing up that way would definitely influence how someone sees the world. So the ridiculous hair-splitting you’re doing isn’t even close to accurate, you had to invent a comment I never made to throw your bad take at. Yikes.
Imo the rich part matters too
It matters in the same way that fire can kill you. If you’re in a house fire, you died of smoke, not fire. But…fire can still kill you, and is dangerous.
Wut?
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Where the attitude comes from matters a lot actually. It informs the conversation and gives relevant context that can be used to determine the veracity of the claim that, no he’s not just some awkward guy making a weird gesture, he’s a fucking rich white South African who grew up believing that some people are more important than others.
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The (white) African I know said that virtually all south Africans they spoke with would be casually racist without a thought about it
Doesn’t make it true for all white South Africans.
If we’re ever going to move forward, I think we need to stop seeing others as only members of various groups, each of which we have prejuidces about.
Not all white South Africans are rich.
Darthelmet specifically talked about rich white South Africans.
And in the time that musk’s family lived in South Africa, apartheid was still a thing.
No one here is doing that. What was said is that if a south African does a racist thing, you shouldn’t go out of your way to give them benefit of doubt.
Of course it’s “not all <thing>”
Stereotypes are bad.
Patterns are real.
Judge every individual as an individual
Still protect yourself and know the odds.
Educate yourself on the real odds.
The US saw the civil rights act get passed in 1964. 60 years on, we’re still horribly racist on the whole, especially among the super wealthy. South Africa has only been on the mend for 30 years. It’s a very good bet that they’re not different.
WHO is downvoting this??? You’re absolutely right!
I am! Because the fact that his family, the figures he looked up to, and he himself, all directly benefitted from the system of apartheid that was a specific integral part of the system in South Africa from which they derived their gains?
That is relevant in the same way that saying “he was born in Alabama in the 1850s, is the son of a slaveholding knight of the golden circle, and owns a lot of bedsheets with eyeholes cut in them” would be a valid set of concerns, all of which can be used as valid identifiers that, why, yes, these add together to paint a picture of the culture that this hypothetical man is most likely to espouse. So when he “accidentally” lights a cross on fire while holding a rope with a slipknot in his offhand, do we really think that the tied slipknot at the end of his rope is to lead cattle, or is it more likely that he intends to lynch someone?
That’s all too many words. You don’t need all the exposition. You know how you know the guy you described is a racist? By the the fact that he’s a racist. Doing racist things.
All that other stuff is extra padding.
Sorry use many words. I see question, think want answer. Am wrong?
Depends on your goal. Short communications make bigger impacts.
You’re right! You know what I could have said instead?
Who could have guessed that the rich white South African would turn out to be a white supremacist?
See the flaw in using too few words?
Says someone who’s brain is rotten from the internet. “Nah miss me with those books fam, if you can’t say it in one sentence like a viral tweet then I simply can’t use my brain.”
“He probably did it as a joke.”
Actual excuse I’ve heard from multiple people.
I thought the point of a joke was to be funny? What is funny about memeing a Nazi salute?
People are goddamn morons.
They’re lying. The joke is on you.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
Jean-Paul Sartre
Jokes on them. I feel sorry for stupid people.
Cognitive dissonance, baybee.
I don’t think it’s lack of intelligence, but people just following the path of least resistance. It’s uncomfy to come to terms with the fact that a Nazi is in an extremely powerful unelected position, so obviously he can’t possibly be a Nazi and everything is fine :D
Some people are just goddamn morons though.
I have asked a similar question many times in the past when people excuse such things as jokes:
What is the effective difference between doing a Nazi salute like that “as a joke” and just doing one?
Same thing I ask when people claim they are being racist as a joke.
The difference between the public and private spheres. There is absolutely no way to make a Nazi salute jokes in public spheres, full stop. In the private sphere I can imagine it.
“What’s the difference between a dog and a Nazi? One goes like this [does Nazi salute] and one goes like this [raises leg]!”
What is the effective difference between doing a Nazi salute like that “as a joke” and just doing one?
Plausible deniability. Pushing a boundary instead of breaking a taboo.
That is not an effective difference, that’s an excuse.
Correct, but so long as people keep favoring decorum over decency, it doesn’t matter.
I’ve also heard the excuse “he’s autistic”
An excuse is all it is
Ah yes, the spectrum between pet the dog, hailing a taxi, and exterminating bad races.
I mean he did. It was a shitty ass hole joke. He just wanted to piss the woke people off it definitely worked.
Woke is now defined as being appalled by Nazis? I thought that was just common sense.
He just wanted to piss off anyone who he thinks is his enemy. Is what I meant by woke.
You mean like the antisemitism he spewed like a day ago?
What?
Oh, you didn’t see that? Go do a search. Musk is a fascist and saying otherwise is just running interference.
Are you mistaking my comment for someone else? When did I ever defend him or say anything good about him.
Probably should just drop the term altogether then. It basically implies that being a moron is somehow virtuous.
Can you explain how people being upset about credible threats of terrorism is funny?
I didn’t say it was funny.
Sure 👌
Omg, just because he said he’s a Nazi doesn’t mean he actually is one. You need to remember he’s autistic. He’s on the spectrum. Are really harassing this poor man on something he can’t control?!
Speaking of can’t control. There are people with a condition called hemiballismus that have rapid violent outstretching of one arm. Even these people don’t look as much like a Nazi as Elon did.
Nazi on the spectrum.
I imagine there were a bunch at the camps who loved counting
I feel like have heard more unintentional demonizing of autistic people in the last week in defense of Elon than I have ever heard in my life. And I’ve heard a lot.
And there is zero indication he has ever actually been evaluated for autism.
I just love how this whole affair and people* using autism as an apology just makes it seem like autists are all braindead, naive and entirely unaware that the way we behave and ourselves communicates something about us. We might not always know just what it communicates or how we ought to behave to communicate, but I’m pretty sure it I did my best impression of some figure I adore, I’d do it in the full knowledge that it communicates “I like this figure and I wish to be like them”.
*not you, I understand your comment to be a parody, but the pattern it parodies obviously exists
Sad thing is that, regardless of what he is or isn’t, people are answering his attention whoring with attention.
He’s the richest man in the world who has untold influence over the most powerful office in the world. It’s hard to ignore him at this point sadly. Ignoring the problem isn’t going to make it go away.
He certainly made this motion to get attention, as you said, in possibly the least crafty dog whistle in recorded history.
It’s like when a toddler learns a naughty word that makes all the grown ups laugh.
Edit: I redact that, he fucking knows what a Nazi salute is. There is no child like innocence at play, as some may interpret it.
he is a digital frotteur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frotteurism). at the same time this is where everyone should draw the line.
The only reason I think it was a nazi salute is that it was done by a nazi…
Still not a fan of pizzacakecomics. The ones that are supposed to be funny aren’t, imho, and the political ones are way too heavy-handed for my taste.
I mean, don’t get me wrong, I agree with the content, but for a comic that’s on the reddit frontpage all the time it’s an incredibly crude way of getting the point across.
Pizzacakecomics is on the frontpage of reddit exactly because it’s heavy-handed and only mildly funny. But this is one of those “if Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil” kinda situations, so I give them proper recognition for speaking up.
Pizzacakecomics is on the frontpage of reddit exactly because it’s heavy-handed and only mildly funny.
Okay, fair. I just wish I could escape them – which is rather hard if the people voting stuff to my Lemmy frontpage have just as poor taste as the average redditor.
Pizzacakecomics buys upvotes and will ban from /r/comics for bringing it up. The worst part is that even after you’re banned from /r/comics you still have to see their unfunny garbage.
i think it’s a fairly good satire of the situation… of course musk didn’t say he was a nazi, but he did give the contemporary neo-nazi salute of hitting his chest first… twice in a row, the same way….
and there’s actually an argument as to whether or not he meant it… even though it’s not ambiguous at all, and he’s had a history of promoting far-right content, the AfD, and his wealth originates in Apartheid South Africa and is obviously soak in blood….
it’s pretty absurd that anyone would deny it.
there’s actually an argument as to whether or not he meant it.
There has been no argument from Musk.
well no he made fun of it on twitter:
““Frankly, they need better dirty tricks. The ‘everyone is Hitler’ attack is sooo tired.”He used a joke to deny being Hitler. Not the same.
he denied it, is the important part
He said didn’t want to be referred to as Hitler.
He denied nothing.
the denial was implied, grow up
it’s pretty absurd that anyone would deny it.
True, but then again it’s exactly what you’d expect from them these days. And even if it wasn’t – this comic is so darn plump I have a hard time seeing it as satire.
Plus, the creator drawing both caracters as ugly braindead idiots makes up half the ‘joke’ here. If ones satirical abilities are so non-existant they need to degrade the physical appearance of their opponents (however vile their views and actions may be) in their works, maybe it’s just time to give up and do something they don’t completely fail at.
completely fail.
i wish i was completely failing at comics like that… i could handle that level of success.
i’m sorry you don’t like it, it’s a webcomic though, don’t lose any sleep over it.
It’s an incredibly crude lie they’re telling you when they say they don’t see it.
Youre right, but that doesn’t make this comic – or the others made by the same creator – any better.
That’s like, your opinion, man
It is indeed, yes.
Well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.
So if people made shirts of musk nazi salute and wore them around, would they get kicked out of places? Like the DMV or any government office?
It would be even more effective if it were a photo of the actual president doing it.
I am not hoping that it happens. But when it does happen, I hope the photographers have some good angles.
But it is a photo of the actual president doing it!
lol well yeah, I’d say it’s equally as disturbing for those of us paying attention. But for certain populations seeing the figurehead do it carries serious weight.
No, soon they all will throw their hearts too.
I dont know what this means
The media is trying to downplay the blatant nazi salute by saying he was “throwing his heart to people”
I was told the real NAZIs were liberals.
The no true Scotsmen skit is due for a refresh, with a group making excuses about how a series of people aren’t real Nazis.
No true Nazi?
In the immortal words of Buffy: “I didn’t jump. I took a tiny step and there conclusions were”
He could have meant anything.
Jump him to a gallows pole
Guys, guys, guys! You got it all wrong! He was clearly slapping his chest to activate the homing becon to send a request to his home planet, so they can send a UFO to come pick him up! Then he used his arm as an antenna!!!
See? The whole space exploration obsession was just his way of trying to fund a way home.
Then he needs a serious anal probing by the aliens, so they can work out what the fuck is wrong with him
Nazism on steroids!!
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