Summary
Despite the 22nd Amendment barring a third term (“No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice”), Trump continues to suggest he could run again, raising the idea at a Black History Month event and with Republican governors.
Legal experts say the Constitution is clear that he cannot run, though some supporters, including Rep. Andy Ogles and Steve Bannon, are pushing for a constitutional amendment or a 2028 campaign.
Meanwhile, Trump has expanded executive authority in his second term, drawing criticism for undermining congressional checks.
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Yeah well, the Constitution says a lot of things. However, it’s fairly clear a large segment of the American population doesn’t care what the Constitution says as long as it’s their team in power.
Criminals aren’t allowed to run for president either. Here we are.
According to the Supreme Court of the United States of America, Jefferson Davis and General Robert E. Lee are both eligible for the office of the United States of America (if they were still alive at least).
Why do news stations make these stupid short clips with music and pictures? Just show the clip
Barred? By whom? Really, when will the states wake up and figure out there is no “adult” in the wings that will enforce norms.
It is unlikely that the constitution will be amended. Democrats still (and will always) hold roughly 50% of seats in the Congress. So any proposal to amendment will not pass. However, there is a possibility of coup if Trump does not want to step down.
My guy, 2 years from now, there will be a redder wave from a kangaroo election, and they will amend the Constitution and end whatever is left of democracy. CISA is gutted, and will be replaced with lackeys that will confirm the fake election. We’re cooked.
You mean another coup? Another in addition to the first coup, in which several people were killed and sh*t smeared on the walls of the capitol, when people had to hide for their lives and in which some of the protectors were complicit?
The one after which the ringleader went completely unpunished and then got back into power and released the people who’d actually done it on his behalf?
I know this is crazytown now, but we don’t want to forget about that first coup.
They just illegally fired, and replaced the joint chiefs. What makes you think they aren’t going to arrest and replace all the democratic representatives and senators?
We’re already past The Reichstag Fire
He will be trying to make The Fediverse illegal in the US within the next 6 months.
I could be wrong, but aren’t joint chiefs appointed by the president nonetheless?
You’re not wrong, there was nothing illegal about firing the joint chiefs.
It was stupid, but not illegal. Calling everything Trump does illegal, only serves to dilute the impact when he does actual illegal things.
Much like labeling everything ‘Nazi’, it only serves to cheapen the term.
Some Lemmy users even go so far as say there is equivalent of Reichstag fire event in US. Trump is only in office for one month and I didn’t see the Congress get burned, pinned the blame on an opposing group, and then made Trump demand for absolute power. Is Trump bad? Yes, but let’s not exaggerate. There are still checks and balance working as intended (many courts are still blocking many of Trump’s executive decisions after all). People need to relax and get a cool head first. Because decisions made on emotions will only blunder.
Any time Trump jokes, it’s the camel’s nose under the tent.
I’ve never heard that phrase before that’s an excellent phrase.
Can you enlighten me? I don’t understand the phrase.
Camels, much like dogs, cats, and other domesticated animals, are constantly pushing their boundaries. The phrase “a camel’s nose under the tent” is indicative of a camel that is attempting to find a way inside the tent so that they may eat the, most likely, food that has captured their attention with its scent.
This would be applicable to the Drumpf administration because they are, much like the camel, using a method of “throw everything at the wall and see what sticks,” as well as a method of overwhelming the media with birdshot. Namely, if you’re creating 50 stories a day, and doing 50 things a day, then the media and the government can’t keep up.
Again similar to our camel that has enough strength to tip the tent over, and create a royal mess, in its attempt to get in.
Edit: First time I have heard the phrase as well,.but that is the meaning I would take from context.
I looked it up when I saw it, it seems like it comes from a fable with a similar moral to “If You Give a Mouse a Cookie”
A camel sticks his nose under the edge of a tent for warmth, it’s owner (or a stranger w/e) allows it to out of kindness. Then the camel slowly worms it’s entire body in the tent and refuses to budge.
It’s a slippery slope parable.
In a sane society Trump should be in prison.
I also had no idea. This is what I found.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel’s_nose
The camel’s nose is a metaphor for a situation where the permitting of a small, seemingly innocuous act will open the door for larger, clearly undesirable actions.
Of course he’ll run and of course he’ll win and og course he’ll just ignore the laws about it and of course nobody is going to stop him
I can’t see him still being alive by then. He’s going to have a stroke or coronary before then.
Or some other mysterious 3rd option
Imagine if a MacDonald’s worker on minimum wage slipped something in his slimeburger.
We were all hoping for that last time and look where we are now. …
8 years of horrible lifestyle later.
To be fair he wasn’t supposed to run for a second term as a convicted felon, but he managed that.
I’d like to say I’d be surprised if he could win another election as his popularity plummets, but the US voters have proven themselves to be stupid and/or lazy.
Being a convicted felon does not disqualify you from running for president, or from being elected to the office.
Fomenting insurrection does, but that got waved away “because reasons”.
Because Merrick Garland is a bitch. Also more stuff.
Nah, Colorado was handling it appropriately, then SCOTUS stepped in and told a state that they’re not allowed to administer elections in their state.
Why not both?
Because given how shameless SCOTUS has been, not sure there’s even an alternative reality where they still don’t worm themselves around him too.
Because Biden appointed a bitch instead of someone who would actually do their goddamn job.
As convicted felon you can’t run for position of burger flipper at McDonalds, but you can become a president…
I mean the reason why someone shouldn’t be barred for office based on a conviction is obvious
And if you, and potentially multiple family members, don’t pass a background check… you still qualify!
I mean, it should be fine to stop someone from running a country if they are a felon, but that requires sane, rational adults.
No. It should never be fine. People make mistakes. People fix those mistakes. But more importantly, you never want it possible for a political arrest to disbar a person from office.
Problem is he wasn’t just arrested. Convicted by a jury, incited an insurrection on live TV, retained classified documents and hid them from the FBI, and attempted a coup with the fake electors scheme…it’s a massive leap beyond just being “arrested”.
He’s literally guilty of blatant treason. That should obviously be disqualifying. Brazil, which might be considered a “third world country” by many Americans, handled their similar situation infinitely better.
Sure. Pardons are a thing. And again I said sane, rational adults. I’m not saying that there ARE sane rational adults, I’m saying in an idyllic world
Political convictions are also a thing. Just convict your opponent and you’re good.
A sane, rational adult would understand any system that relies on them being sane and rational is a poorly made system
Eugene V Debs is the best example for why that’s not the case.
All of that looks like the lack of rational adults to me
I wouldn’t be surprised. He promised an end of elections and voting. This is what his voters wanted.
Take the good with the bad, if we have to re-do the voting system I say we move towards a more popular-voting system and get rid of the electoral collage, it’s time to shake up the gerrymandering of districts in favor of GOP Senators/Congress.
Time for an overhaul!
I think he’s aiming more to become an emperor. That said, I like the positive outlook! If he fucking ruins everything, there’s always room for the Americans to build something better in the mess he leaves.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot recently. The abject destruction of all aspects of law and government being carried out by Trump/Musk right now is, objectively, a bad thing that’s going to hurt a lot of people very badly. But once their system inevitably completely collapses, I think a lot of Americans are going to be open to new ideas of governance.
Previously, we could all see problems in our systems but the path to actually getting them solved involved generations of focused political maneuvering to actually stand a chance of putting them in place. Take federal adoption of ranked choice voting as an example. Many people would say they were in favor of that but we all knew it had a snowball’s chance in hell of ever actually happening because of how our system of governance was set up. I fully expected we’d just coast along with FPTP voting until we’re all dead from climate catastrophe.
But now, we’re actually looking at a potential full scale, whole hog destruction of the foundations of American government. Whoever inherits it afterward - and someone will, this reign won’t last forever, it’s incapable of sustaining itself even if we all just left them alone - has the potential for nearly a ground-up rewrite of some fundamental assumptions of American government. We’re talking about changing the baseline voting systems, changing eligibility for office for many roles, even fundamentally changing the way our representation is appointed (such as by population size instead of by land, for instance - one rep for every, say, 500,000 citizens, not two reps per state regardless of population) and so on.
Rising from our own ashes may just end up being one of the best things to ever happen to America, in a historical context. Inevitably, no matter how this farce ends up resolving, we will have an opportunity for this afterward. Trump, in his bumbling fury, has swept away decades worth of red tape and inertia that we otherwise would have had to struggle through to make this happen, and in addition has galvanized a lot of latent anger with the system within the citizens. We will have a real chance to turn that into something constructive after all this finishes in whatever way it does.
That’s my light at the end of the tunnel for all this, and in a weird way, I guess I have Trump to thank for this. His signature style of completely ignoring norms and regulations means that he can blast through a ton of bullshit while being completely immune to the feedback, and we can just build it all up again from scratch later in a term or two instead of taking six decades to effect gradual change.
Previously I would have called this accelerationism and maybe condemned it, but we’re in the shit now, so may as well get it over with I guess. He’s already throwing all his toys out of the crib no matter what I say about it so I’m no longer ashamed about cheering for it. America has had a deep sickness in its government for a very long time and maybe now we can excise it. We’re losing a lot of healthy tissue alongside it, and that’s bad, but it’s not likely to kill us altogether. We’ll grow back stronger.
I’ve thought the same but this is all dependant on someone sane being able to take power back at some point soon. Where will all the crazies be when this better society is being created?
The climate catastrophe is also a ticking time bomb with very little time left to avert total disaster. The other problem is that Putin caused this situation for a reason and honestly I’m thinking he destabilised the world because there’s a plan involved. Call me crazy but Russia, China and whoever could be aiming to invade. What else are they playing at? They’re all megalomaniacs and they’re going to control all these countries where the US was giving aid (and I’m sure spying).
And then there’s an asteroid, currently a 3% chance of hitting. Have you seen ‘don’t look up’?
Alaska already has ranked choice voting
Emperor Trump, a man who cannot be trusted to run a charity in the state of New York….
That, and we have that stupid Electoral College. Oh, and lots and lots of fuckery from the Republican apparatchiks when it comes to running our elections.
He wasn’t technically a convicted felon until sentencing, and IANAL, I think that falls under shit no one thought would ever happen.
Being an insurrectionist is a guilty until proven innocent thing as far as the constitution goes iirc. At least in regards to holding office.
I hate to ‘akshualllyyy’, but actually there’s nothing in US law or the constitution that precludes a convicted felon from running for or holding office.
There was a lot of legal talk leading up to the last election about that, along with plenty of surprise that was the case. It turns out it was another of those gentlemen’s agreements that was never codified because up until very recently, most people just assumed voters were smart enough not to elect someone like that, so codifying it wasn’t worth anyone’s time.
If we ever wrest control back from these ghouls, there are a shit-ton of things that need codifying.
e: a few words
On November 2028, he’ll be older than Joe Biden is now.
But yeah, I can see him enter the 2028 GOP primaries, win the nomination, maybe beat Harris again, and serve as acting President while SCOTUS allows it.
you think they’ll repeal the 22nd amendment and we’d see Harris? Please it’d be Obama v Trump
Obama would easily win which is why all the bills have been worded to exclude him.
Do you have examples?
Yes. To allow a third term; if the president have not served two consecutive ones.
It says elected. He has no intention of having another election.
The US is right in a coup. Who knows what will be legal or illegal after that.
Who’s gonna stop him from running for or taking office for a third time? The Democrats? Are they gonna write a strongly worded letter? The Supreme Court? Do they have anyone with guns who will listen to them?
He’ll be SLaMmeD in that strongly worded letter, they’ll pat themselves on the back for a job well done, then run another candidate without a primary.
Legal experts say the Constitution is clear that he cannot run, though some supporters, including Rep. Andy Ogles and Steve Bannon, are pushing for a constitutional amendment or a 2028 campaign.
It’s a non-starter.
You need at minimum three-quarters of states for an amendment, and that’s if you take the constitutional convention route. Even if you got every Republican-majority state onboard, which I very much doubt – I think that there are a very considerable number of Republican politicians who are glad that Trump has managed to pull in a majority and are happy to maybe use some of his tactics but are also more than happy to see him ride off into the sunset and let them run things – that’s still not going to be enough.
Also, I don’t know if ratification is just the upper house (almost all states have a bicameral legislature) or both or if it varies by state, but if it’s both, that’s an even higher bar.
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Sounds like it’s both.
https://www.ncsl.org/about-state-legislatures/amending-the-us-constitution
Step 3. Ratification by three-fourths of the states. Ratification of the amendment language adopted by Congress is an up-or-down vote in each legislative chamber. A state legislature cannot change the language. If it does, its ratification is invalid. A governor’s signature on the ratification bill or resolution is not necessary.
So you have to get a majority of legislators in both legislative houses in a three-quarters supermajority of states. That’s a pretty high bar.
How many other things is he not allowed to do, but is doing anyway with permission (either tacit or direct) from congress and the courts? You think this will stop him?
Words on a piece of paper only have power if people uphold them. No one’s upholding them.
What’s stopping him making an executive order claiming he can do it, use that as an excuse to run a clearly illegal campaign, use his control of the FEC to win and dare anyone to do smth about it?
Executive orders can’t direclty contradict existing laws. They are utilized in “legal gray areas”. If it were that simple, Trump would simply pass an executive order that it’s legal for him to assassinate all members of any opposing political party and wipe every non-republican off the face of the earth, literally.
His executive orders already contradict existing laws? The constitution is the law of the land, and he has no authority to override the legislature, yet… Has. And then when judges have told him to stop. He hasn’t. You can forget anything that’s written at this point. It’s all going to come down to bloodshed or dictatorship. And most of the population is fine with a dictatorship it appears.
All well and good, but he now has the military under his thumb and firmly planted up his ass. There’s no one left that has the authority to tell him he can’t.
He’s gonna run anyways. Mark my words. He can’t leave office or he’s fucked. The constitution is nothing more than toilet paper at this point, if no one is going to stand up for it.
Ideally, in the near future he will undergo some sort of transformation that would render a third term a physical impossibility rather than a legal one.
I call that “God’s Ultimate Recall Vote”
Decent chance he’ll croak before the end of his term. Or maybe that’s just wishful thinking on my part.
Then we get Captain Shortpants
Wait until he learns about FDR and his third and fourth terms. That’s what he’ll use as his reasoning.
