I’m really starting to think that naming it TDS was the purest form of projection, in that they (at least the ones not in the “know”) literally don’t recognize in themselves that they are almost objectively more deranged than someone standing their ground against trump and all the people behind/above him in this weird little worldwide pyramid scheme of shit shams and shame.

Basically, every damn thing is projection.

Also, at what point is targeted psychological manipulation (including echo chambering, rabbit holing, generally radicalizing) via news, forums, feeds (every kind of social media) from companies fueled by bad actors finally considered a psy-op?

We all know that some of our previously normal dads and somewhat rational cousins didn’t get sucked into the misdirected hate machine all on their own.

I look forward to learning the codename someday.

That one thing really encapsulates the crux of their ideology doesn’t it? In their worldview they couldn’t possibly be the deranged one

Exactly. It never made sense to me. It clearly described them more than his opponents.

Calm down there, Okarin.

Yeah I’m not sure I can source any C11H26…yaknow.

I’m also not sure I’d want to. That stuff is naaaasty

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Well, at least they ARE seeing it now.

At this point, you can work on them to bring it all into focus and the FIRST thing I always say is “you gotta get away from the billionaire controlled cable TV and social media sites…” then I point them to the vanilla news sites that have no editorializing, like AP and Reuters.

If they are open to it, I also point them to using Firefox and adding uBO. Given that sites like fb are now running rage-bait scam ads, the ad-blocking is critical.

A lot of the MAGA folks have been overwhelmed by the noise.

Reality is crashing in and with the number of these folks on assistance that Trump has cut, it’s only going to get worse.

My prediction is that if you still see a die-hard Trumper like in the photo, it’s actually someone wealthy that’s cosplaying.

The majority of Trump supporters generally don’t have two pennies to rub together, and given what’s going on in DC right now, they probably don’t have that anymore and they’re pissed…

The question is he going to do it again for the next charaltain that offers him mean, easy answers that just hurt everyone?

I LOVE Rammstein.

Watch their video Deutschland and you’ll get the gist very quickly of what they think of NAZIs and authoritarian, repressive governments in general.

They are absolutely off their tits.

Rammstein got so sick and tired of being called Nazis just because they make harsh music with German lyrics that they put out “Links 2 3 4” two decades ago to clear up that they lean socialist. And Till Lindemann himself has said repeatedly that they hate Nazis. And yet, people still associate them with it because they can’t think beyond “Scary German music = Nazi”.

If it’s anything like religious “Great Awakenings” that the US seems to go through every now and again (which I think it is), I think you’ll find the movement much smaller than it first was as people on the fringes peel away quietly with each disappointment. They didn’t lose anybody for years because they didn’t really get to be disappointed, but now they have their promised messiah back in power they’re struggling to make sense of it all. The core might double down after each disappointment until the leader dies, but each time they have to add a new layer of complexity to what they believe, and each time they will lose a few people, particularly people that find the least community and identity through the movement. People that won’t lose as much if they leave.

Where at the peak of some “Great Awakenings” the majority of people are part of the movement, by the end it’s sometimes just a small community of a few thousand members. There is never a single event that causes most people to leave, it’s gradual.

Edit: I’d also like to note that they didn’t have much opportunity to be disappointed in his first term (most of the terrible things he did didn’t really disappoint his followers) until the end when people were dying and inflation was rising, but their messiah was out of power before they saw the full effect of it, and so they got to blame somebody else for inflation and Covid deaths and so on (if they even believed Covid existed).

Some do until they don’t. I was a pretty devout convinced JW into my 30s, with the few doubts I had (I never hated gay people, but still bought the “it’s not a sin to be gay, it’s a sin to act on it” line) being suppressed by my assuming God knew better than me or that since God made the earth he gets to make the rules.

I also enjoyed science but kept brainwashing myself to allow for science and the creation belief (not young earth, maybe dinosaurs were just a preparatory stage, maybe God guided evolution, etc), but eventually a joke on Futurama mocked the moving goalposts of missing link arguments and it kinda broke the floodgates.

This man is experiencing personal issues that affect him directly, which makes it harder to rationalize away. It’s how some people leave stuff like religion: a bad thing happens to them personally and God in no way helps, so the doubts start breaking through the stubbornness.

Oh man universal monk is still around?? I haven’t seen that guy in what must be a year!

At this point I’m beginning to question @[email protected]. He’s keeping the lights on almost exclusively for the conservative community. He may not be the bartender who let in a Nazi, it might just be a Nazi bar.

To be fair most of the mods and admins here are paranoid losers.

But Dijon is yellow. And Zaandamse, too!

The implication was that they’re smarter than “the educated.”

Edit: Here’s the full quote:

We won with young. We won with old. We won with highly educated. We won with poorly educated. I love the poorly educated. We’re the smartest people, we’re the most loyal people, and you know what I’m happy about? Because I’ve been saying it for a long time. 46% were the Hispanics—46%, No. 1 one with Hispanics. I’m really happy about that.

It’s an old fascist saw that folk wisdom is better than book-learning.

From They Thought They Were Free- the Germans, 1933-45:

Because the mass movement of Nazism was nonintellectual in the beginning, when it was only practice, it had to be anti- intellectual before it could be theoretical. What Mussolini’s official philosopher, Giovanni Gentile, said of Fascism could have been better said of Nazi theory: “We think with our blood.” Expertness in thinking, exemplified by the professor, by the high-school teacher, and even by the grammar- school teacher in the village, had to deny the Nazi views of history, economics, literature, art, philosophy, politics, biology, and education itself.

Thus Nazism, as it proceeded from practice to theory, had to deny expertness in thinking and then (this second process was never completed), in order to fill the vacuum, had to establish expert thinking of its own— that is, to find men of inferior or irresponsible caliber whose views conformed dishonestly or, worse yet, honestly to the Party line. The nonpolitical pastor satisfied Nazi requirements by being nonpolitical. But the nonpolitical schoolmaster was, by the very virtue of being nonpolitical, a dangerous man from the first. He himself would not rebel, nor would he, if he could help it, teach rebellion; but he could not help being dangerous— not if he went on teaching what was true. In order to be a theory and not just a practice, National Socialism required the destruction of academic independence.

In the years of its rise the movement little by little brought the community’s attitude toward the teacher around from respect and envy to resentment, from trust and fear to suspicion. The development seems to have been inherent; it needed no planning and had none. As the Nazi emphasis on nonintellectual virtues (patriotism, loyalty, duty, purity, labor, simplicity, “blood,” “folk- ishness”) seeped through Germany, elevating the self-esteem of the “little man,” the academic profession was pushed from the very center to the very periphery of society.