• @[email protected]
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    Literally in a car with an immigrant right now who voted Trump because things were cheaper before covid.

    FFS.

    • @DerArzt
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      Anecdotal evidence that the right is for the uneducated.

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        Anecdotally… About 75% of the right that I know/met.

        The other 25% is a mix of racism, greed, and conspiracy theory.

        • @ZILtoid1991
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          Every time they’ll be complaining about the price hikes under Trump, just remind them of why they voted for Trump. This is the best course of action against “collective amnesia” as we call it in Hungary.

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            Oh alongside the loss of benefits they rely on (which I told them about), the pandemic potential with the worst Kennedy, even their friends which are of varying ethnicities and going to be targeted, the list is… Long.

          • @Rice_Daddy
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            Things will have to be really really bad for MAGA to notice and then actually acknowledge issues. Even then they might use excuses and blame others.

            COVID handling was objectively terrible, with plenty of examples of mismanagement, but they’ve basically completely forgotten about it and the ‘mismanagement’ they might point to are the availability of vaccines, or the ability of workplaces to make people wear masks.

            They can also completely ignore the blatant corruption with employing close family members as advisors and diplomats, while on the other side, even leaning on a family name to get a job was too much. Don’t forget that they’ve also come to the conclusion than Jan 6 wasn’t bad.

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            Which is why every time something bad or good happens, I’ll be posting #ThankRepublicans over and over. People love to bitch, so put it squarely with them.

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          Solid distinction.

          Religion primed the rubes, and a new godhead told them he is their salvation.

          • @Bookmeat
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            Religion didn’t prime them. Religion merely exploits the same human psychological weaknesses. This is why they go hand in hand.

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                I know what it means. I guess I didn’t make my point clear enough, that’s on me. I didn’t think I had to write it for an eli5 audience.

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      So sad that dumbasses who think the President controls grocery store prices and gas prices have done this to us all.

      I voted for Harris and my state went red for Trump as usual. Just sad and disgusted at it all today.

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        How do you expect people to think any differently when there is nobody combatting that narrative at the national level? That is something the Democrats could have been hammering on.

        • @RaoulDook
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          Uh, just basic knowledge of how the President’s job works? Stuff we learn in grade school. Everyone should know this, but people are idiots.

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            In the context of this chain, it should be noted most immigrants don’t go through US grade schools.

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              Immigrants should do their civic duty as members of the society they wish to join, by learning basic civics.

              But overall, this election is the fault of religious dumbasses who are brainwashed by dumbass preachers illegally promoting their politics based on religious fantasies about demons and armageddon.

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            Right, which is why you educate them and make the case for them to vote for you, or else the other side will spread their disinformation without any competing narrative. That’s kind of the entire point of a presidential campaign. Just calling people idiots isn’t going to make them not be idiots.

      • @PriorityMotif
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        Not if people don’t have enough money, then they’ll take the five finger discount.

        • @pivot_root
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          I wouldn’t put it past the stores to ask for an executive order to make theft punishable by losing fingers.

    • JaggedRobotPubes
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      I don’t expect everybody to be politically aware, but there’s “not politically aware” and then there’s whatever that is.

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      Instead of mocking people like this, us on the left really need to understand them and how to appeal to them better than Trump. Dude is a billionaire and managed to convince working people he’s on their side. He’s winning the populism game because no one else is even playing it. Time to beat him at his own game

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        How do you get the Democrats to run somebody like Sanders when they don’t even have a primary? The DNC boned the entire country. Again.

        • @irreticent
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          In related news:

          In June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for violating the DNC Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders. Even former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid admitted in July 2016, “I knew—everybody knew—that this was not a fair deal.”

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        I don’t pretend to know how to accomplish this. I may be completely wrong here, but two things that have to go:

        • Religious thought (“faithbrain” or the Peter Pan-esque belief that things are true because you believe they are true, despite a lack of evidentiary or even argumentative support, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary)
        • Social media bubbles (billionaires controlling the content people see, creating bubbles of “information” that skew the public in their favor)

        There’s almost certainly more to do as well, but those things stand out to me. Also, it seems hard to believe that we could make any progress on these fronts given the current situation.

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          This won’t change. Democrats have to take a lesson in human behaviour. Republican tactics work. Embrace them. Exploit them.

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            I keep waiting for the Left to fight dirty, but… We go high, they go low, and low is what gets elected

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      Just wait until the leopards start eating their faces. Act surprised.

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          It matters to MAGA Republicans. Your friend is a legal immigrant, he’s here to stay and we 100% welcome him.

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            If they keep saying it, maybe it’ll be true just like the 2020 election fraud!

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            Ah, yes, just like the completely legal Haitian immigrants.

            Clearly, a well supported position from the republican party. Totally not the exact opposite of what came out of the pres elect and VP elect.

            Reminded a bit of a certain anchorman gif right about now…

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              Some Haitians are legal, and some are “legal” due to this sus app the new administration will be looking into. I think some from that app will stay and some will have to leave, but they’ll clear it up.

              Do you mean the eating cats and dogs thing? I’m glad that got cleared up. :)

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                You’re just in denial. You’re probably one of the ones that think it will never happen to them.

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    So guilliani is gonna be bailed out, Vince McMahon is gonna get a pardon too, same with Elon for whatever he wants to do, and pretty much every evil billionaire out there. I also think Trump has no interest in governing, and this administration will be Vance and his project 25 people running the show

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      Free Sam Bankman Fried. Maybe he can steal more money from morons

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              it’s “you’re welcome”.

              your is possessive. you’re is a contraction of “you are”. your welcome means you’re somehow talking about “my welcome”

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              you’re is a contraction of “you are” while your is possive.

              you’re a fun person

              your coins, your keys

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      Regarding Elon, it’s even better than that: he’s probably getting a cabinet post. Say goodbye to the free and open internet where people are mean to him and daddy Trump. Goodbye encryption, and the “unauthorized” websites/web services. Hello tracking, dynamic pricing, and compulsive service use designed to drain your wallet.

      Americans chose fuck around, and now we get to find out.

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      Can he get Joe exotic Pardoned so at least we get some entertaining train wreck to keep our long off the politics?

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    It’s 80 degrees in November. America has reelected a climate change denier. SUV sales continue to rise.

  • Madrigal
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    4 more years? Nah. 6 months before they turf him.

    This’ll be a Vance presidency.

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      To what end? He’ll do what billionaires and the project 2025 ghouls want him to anyways. He doesn’t need to be turfed. They want to keep him there soaking up all the media attention and hate while they do their evil shit in the dark.

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        My point exactly. Trump has served his purpose. Now for the new puppet.

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      Why bother, fat fuck is one fateful hamberder away from fucking off.

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        If they get the supermajority with the house, it’s game over. They’ll spend the next two years shoring up their power to where they won’t need elections anymore.

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      They wouldn’t need to bother. High risk for relatively little benefit over him nominally being in the position.

      If they are going to sideline him in practice, I’d expect more of a Dick Cheney. It’s not like he’s going to stand in the way as long as he gets personally enriched/protected.

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      I’ve been wondering if this is one of the unwritten plays of Project 2025.

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    I really wished what little labor protections we had could have lasted my lifetime.

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    What devil has this guy made a deal with? No matter how stupid, obnoxious or abrasive he is, people worship him. He constantly screws himself over and then before he has to face serious consequences he trips on a rock and somehow everything’s alright again for him. At this point he literally can shoot someone on 6th Avenue and get away of it. I think Trump is solid evidence that we’re living in a simulation and somebody is fucking with us, because life just doesn’t work the way it works for him. Somebody’s thumb is on the scale.

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      What devil has this guy made a deal with?

      He cut a Faustian Bargain with the soul of America. And like Faust, he gets to spend his days capering and clowning about his social superiors, making unholy mischief in a kingdom that is itself revealed to be terminally corrupt and wholely damned.

      Trump took the Objectivist philosophy that’s guided this country for a generation and embodied it. He is Reaganism in its manifest state. Just a guy entirely out for himself who has convinced 71M other people to do the same.

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        What’s more concerning is that millions more people saw it and didn’t bother to stop him.

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          I always knew it was possible for right-wing populism and proto-fascism to take hold in America. A society that seems itself immune and superior is especially susceptible.

          But I honestly didn’t think it would be a complete idiot like Trump. A wannabe dictator is supposed to be charismatic. His ramblings couldn’t invigorate a chicken coop. And yet it seems people are so desperate for his ilk that not even that’s an issue.

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            Nobody lost money underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

    • @Snowclone
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      The day after he was convicted on his 30+ felonies, he had the biggest donation day of any politician in US history, probably Human history. Jeff Bezos prevented any news outlet he owned of endorsing Harris, Elon Musk Did a million dollar raffle for Trump voters. They DO NOT WANT to pay taxes, and they DO NOT want to pay people who make their money. That’s all this has ever been, and they know Trump would fuck his mothers corpse for a nickle and will absolutely shift the tax burden to the poor and middle class as hard as he can, and he has a majority in the legislature, and full stop OWNS the most extreme and corrupt Supreme Court we’ve ever seen, and he will stack it even higher this term. It is a GREAT time to be a corrupt politician in America, no one is going to taste a single consequence for this fuckery.

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        He can’t be the anti-christ because his political power lasted longer than 3 and a half years

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          Dw I really don’t take this stuff serious (not religious)

          It’s a fun read though

          But hey you can argue he’s getting 3.5 years twice now (4 minus lame duck twice)

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            Yes but he’s only supposed to get ONE 3.5 years

            Meaning he’s no the anti-Christ…

    • @bitchkat
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      A friend on FB asked his friends why they voted for Trump. One woman responded 'because he loves all of us and wants nothing more than to make our lives better."

      What. The. Actual. Fuck?

    • @Aneb
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      That thumb has a name, Putin

      • @LovableSidekick
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        Putin didn’t GAF about Donald Trump until he became useful enough. By that time the Orange Sack of Shit had already been stiffing creditors and skirting the law for decades, somehow living a life of abject luxury anyway, when if nature had taken its usual course he would have been a bankrupt nobody hustling $10 bar bets.

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          Life works differently for the haves than it does for the have-nots. This has been pretty much a constant in human societies…

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    Diabetes, please do your job.

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      trump may very well die within the next 4 years, even 4 weeks after all that campaigning strain, but I am just no sure if JD wouldn’t make everything worse if he got hold of the reins?

      One thing is sure President Vance would be a total shit show.

      • @Duamerthrax
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        Thiel is Vance’s backer. Vance would be a competent Trump. Much more dangerous.

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        Vance would just run everything according to Project 2025. I think he’d be like Trump but more competent.

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        but I am just no sure if JD wouldn’t make everything worse if he got hold of the reins?

        Honestly, it feels like the only hope is that things get bad enough for enough Trump supporters (and non-voters) to wake up to reality. And since Vance himself doesn’t seem to have the moron-whisperer charisma that Trump has, they may be more willing to turn on him.

    • JaggedRobotPubes
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      JD Vance is a more effective stooge, because he does what he’s told without question. Trump at least has his particular brand of self-defeating chaos.

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      There is an interesting question as to what happens if he dies before being sworn in. It’s not clear what succession looks like then, I think…

      • @ZILtoid1991
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        Likely JD Vance will be chosen as president, he gets some similar weirdo as a vice-president. He will be exactly like Trump, but without the charm.

        • @chiliedogg
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          I’m not as sure.

          I hate Vance and he’d be a terrible President, but he also was firmly anti-Trump before, and only became a Trump sycophant for political reasons.

          If Trump dies he may feel the freedom to do what he wants to do as President, while claiming to be Trump’s heir to the personality cult.

          At this point it’s our best outcome.

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            There’s actually a few more:

            • undisputable evidence for destroying ballots, or some other stuff
            • a lone gunman 3: this time an army professional with better guns
            • unfaithful electors
            • Biden lives with his new found presidental power, and does an “official act”
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              If the Dems took the House, some of those might be perversely better. But between Vance and Johnson, I’d take Vance.

              And enough states have laws to prevent unfaithful electors to keep that from being an option.

              I absolutely believe Trump won. The dems pushed hard on abortion while abortion was separately on the ballots in several swing states, so even for the virtually unheard-of single-issue pro-choice voters, they could just take care of that with the ballot initiative and then vote for Trump anyway. Meanwhile, the pro-life voters doubled-down against the Dems.

              Pro-choice-centered campaigns have always been general election poison. The disasterous 2022 elections should have taught the Dems that. Or Wendy Davis’s 2014 Texas Gubanatorial campaign when she ran on abortion rights and lost by over 20 points in an open election against an unpopular Greg Abbot. At that time, Texas had only elected 2 Republican governors since the previous Democratic woman, and even Perry almost lost the Governor’s mansion in 2006.

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              Biden lives with his new found presidental power, and does an “official act”

              Wow, that would be quite a thing. Dark to even think of him being the hero we need, but don’t deserve…

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                I am 100% sure that Biden doing anything at all that would change the outcome of the election would lead to rural versus urban civil war. Maybe that’s what we need. But it will be unbelievably terrible.

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            I hate Vance and he’d be a terrible President, but he also was firmly anti-Trump before, and only became a Trump sycophant for political reasons.

            He’s Peter Thiel’s property, so he’ll do whatever he tells him to do. And Thiel is a weird, evil and intelligent man. A Vance presidency would probably be less insane and more calculating (for better and for worse) than Trump at least.

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              I think Vance would consider consequences. He wouldn’t drop a nuke on a whim.

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          Honestly, a smarter version of trump as president is a very concerning thought. I am not sure if it is better or much much worse.

          • @PriorityMotif
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            Charismatic people rarely are smart because life is easier for them in the first place.

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    I have to remind myself that the only silver lining of being Californian and unable to really effect this outcome of this race is that we’re also least likely to pay any personal consequences. Still bad, but I feel for people in states with less protections for LGBTQ and immigrants, and especially for people in countries that are completely fucked right now unless something crazy happens.

    I know already that my state and several other blue states have been working on a contingency plan ever since Biden looked like a certain loss, months back. Then again, might make little difference if he goes full fascist, but a silver lining is a silver lining none the less.

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      Over here in Florida where they’re banning books and censoring LGBT from schools. All my family (besides my parents and siblings) are Republicans and are actively voting to the person who is trying to legalize murdering me (trans, closeted) 🙃
      My teacher is also an anti masker.
      Send help pls.

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        When you’re 18, you’re more than welcome in the New Mexico/Colorado coalition. New Mexico is more affordable, FYI. Until then, there are good people on Lemmy you can lean on.

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        I noticed that… Redder than ever as I watched the polls. I guess at least it’ll be under the ocean in a few decades. Amazing how it changed since 2000, though. My PhD is in education policy, and also someone who dated a trans woman, I know exactly how fucked y’all are.

        If only California could fix it’s housing issues, we really should be a refuge for cool folk like yourself. People used to flock here, for better or worse.

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          Hardly anyone can afford to live in the progressive parts unfortunately.

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            It’s true. Some places are affordable but won’t be terribly enjoyable unless a lot of progressives move there (like Bakersfield isn’t the worst place in the world).

            Edit: on two separate occasions I saw cars wrapped in full anime weeb regalia parked in places in Bakersfield. It’s just mostly immigrant farm workers, though.

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      …my state and several other blue states have been working on a contingency plan ever since Biden looked like a certain loss, months back.

      Can you expand on this, in eli5 fashion? Curious foreigner here.

      • peopleproblems
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        Oh that part’s easy.

        Money.

        California has economic power over the rest of the US because of the money that flows through it.

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        As they said, money, but I’d say there are a few safeguards. On obvious issues like reproductive rights, we can hold out on “states decide” until there’s a federal ban, and even longer with legal challenges. States that rarified it in their construction have a similar setup. We also have organizations in place to help undocumented immigrants so much so that they can get drivers licenses and insurance, etc.

        As for things specific to Trump, it’s mostly a matter of having a lot of lawyers ready to challenge things and purposefully not following federal law if needed. 4 years is a remarkably short time to hold out, assuming again they don’t just go full fascist and arrest our governor and state Congress. Technically shouldn’t be possible even with the supreme court but who knows.

        Speaking of which, that’s the real problem-- federal appointed judges. So all together we’ll just have to see. States rights is a good thing when you’ve got a good state, though.

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      yeah, thats all fair. it is ignoring how california will be uninhabitable in short order if we dont take immediate steps to curb climate change, and trump has vowed to undo the little progress the biden administration had accomplished, and to “drill, baby, drill”

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        Yeah, that’s going to be a world wide problem in any case. California can also keep doing it’s green push too, but just like with countries, it’s a moot point if your neighbor is mucking everything up.

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        Nah, that’s a trap. At tempting at it is, it’s better for everyone to stay a union even if California has the 5th (or 6th depending on measure) strongest economy in the world. Plus imagine how fucked the other 49 would be!

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        If I live close to Illinois do you think it’s worth making the move?? Can’t the federal government just do whatever the fuck it wants regardless of state rights

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          Laws are only real if they’re enforced. What we know is is that Trump promised to send troops into “sanctuary cities” and this time around, his wranglers know better on how to use him. Go to a safe city or state, but be prepared to move country if you’re one of their undesirables.

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          Its more about how the state comports its own affairs so keeping up its public infrastructure and not allowing poisoning of natural spaces and such. I can’t say its worth the move as these things are really situational. Im just sorta glad I am at where I am at.

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      Still bad, but I feel for people in states with less protections for LGBTQ and immigrants, and especially for people in countries that are completely fucked right now unless something crazy happens.

      Your state just voted to keep slavery btw.

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        I heard. We weren’t immune to the low turn out, and if anything we had a lot more protest votes since we’re a “safe blue” state. Actually I’m much more concerned about how it impacts some house races. We might be a bit screwed, and lazy Californians might be why.

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    The entire rest of the world needs to be on watch, trump is a potential threat to other countries

    FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN AMERICA GET THE FUCK OUT NOW

    • @dance_ninja
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      Lol and go where? From what I can tell, Canada has a housing crisis and is tilting right. Western Europe is already getting sick of immigrants and dealing with the far right.

      • @IzzyScissor
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        Exactly. They’re DEALING WITH the far right. They haven’t just handed they keys to the country over.

        There’s still a chance for them.

      • @micka190
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        Canada has a housing crisis and is tilting right

        Yeah. Trudeau’s not super popular anymore because of all his scandals, open corruption, and his handling of the economy and immigration (I expect the Trump win will probably solidify his base somewhat, though, once people start comparing the opposition to Trump) and the NDP’s never going to win a majority with Jagmeet at the helm (NDP voters aren’t too thrilled about how far up Trudeau’s ass his tongue regularly goes). That basically leaves the Bloc (which only cares about Quebec) and the Conservatives. No one outside of Quebec votes for the Bloc (no one serious, at least).

        The most damaging thing Trump ever did was show the politicians of the world that you can pretty much just do whatever the fuck you want if you spread divisive hate and propaganda hard enough. The Cons weren’t anywhere close to what the Republicans were before he got into office. In our case, the economy usually did get better under them. Unfortunately, they’ve been steadily becoming more and more extreme over the past couple of elections. It looked like they were trying to be more moderate when they had Erin O’Toole, but there were still some morons among them that were eager to show that they’d gone batshit insane, so they’re back to doubling down on ol’ Canadian Ben Shapiro now.

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          No one outside of Quebec votes for the Bloc because no one outside of Quebec can vote for the Bloc.

          • @micka190
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            To be fair to myself, you can vote for anyone. It just won’t necessarily count since it’ll spoil the ballot.

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                You’re given a pen/pencil and asked to fill out a box. Nothing prevents you from writing stuff, but whatever. It’s not like it matters.

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                  “won’t necessarily count” implies that it might or might not.

                  We don’t have write ins in Canada, we just put an X or a check mark next to a name that’s already on the ballot. If you add anything else on it your ballot gets discarded and you vote won’t count even if there’s an X or a check mark next to an actual name.

                  I’m starting to doubt that you ever voted in Canada.

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          Thanks for the added context. I’ve seen a few headlines about what’s happening, but it’s good to hear the perspective from someone that lives there.

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        My wife and I have considered shoring up in Baja. We have quite a few friends in a well insulated community down there, and it’s a 12 hour drive from where we’re at, assuming they don’t lock the border from the inside (which they probably will at some point).

    • @[email protected]
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      You realize that unless you have a second citizenship it’s not easy to just up and leave for another country?

      • @RawrGuthlaf
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        Even that isn’t enough unless you have a lot of money laying around and some kind of support network in whatever country you plan to escape to.

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        Most people don’t. I really didn’t get the whole scope/big picture until my wife (who immigrated as a child and now works with immigrant families) explained the whole process and gave examples of things she’s seen at work and with people in the community. Last night we got dinner with my mom and she asked “OK where are we moving to?” to only get a lengthy conversation of how it’s works and how hard it is. It’s not as easy as buying a plane ticket, selling all your stuff or shipping things to where you are going and then picking up life as normal. I hope most people here realize that, but I felt like it needed to be said.

        • @[email protected]
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          Immigration is never easy… Right? I’d like to hear more stories from those who ensured the process.

          • Edgarallenpwn
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            My wife’s story isn’t too exciting. Her tio and tia were able to get visas in the early 80s and were both Doctors. After they received citizenship and established themselves in the United States, they started helping the rest of the family come over. My wife’s immediate family applied for visas in 95 and was approved in 99. They had a big support system of family already here and gained citizenship a few years later. Her story is one of the better/easier ones and she is very aware of that.

            Without getting into too much personal stuff, she has heard multiple stories of one or two children (as young as 7) getting separated from the rest of their family for a month/months at detention centers. Some of them deal with the trauma better than others . It seems like the younger kids normalized it in their head, but it’s always weird for her when they ask about her immigration story, and how much easier it was for her.

      • DevopsPalmer
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        I’ve looked, it’s also incredibly expensive, outside of many people’s means, mine included

      • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost
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        What I kinda hate is the liberals who act like they want to help but are actively planning to leave the country.

        If they are brown or queer, sure. It’s needed, seek asylum and live elsewhere. If they’re white cis liberals who happened to have a back up plan and just abandon the people who thought they would save them?

        “I’m here to help. Oh we lost despite me browbeating you and tokenizing your life. I’m off to England and Canada, bye! Maybe I’ll give some bucks to a random gofundme.”

      • @formergijoe
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        Yeah now that Russia has bought and paid for the US they can focus elsewhere.

        • @[email protected]
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          They’ll be drinking champagne (or the Russian equivalent) in the Kremlin tonight. Putin and the KGB played the long game and won.

      • @[email protected]
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        I’m thinking South America is the play. The anglosphere is all facing similar problems, the northern hemisphere is starting to really feel climate change, and the food is incredible

        They have their own political issues, but they never shook the idea of socialism.

        The quality of life is rapidly improving. They have tons of natural resources, great soil, they’ll be less impacted by climate change in the southern hemisphere, and most importantly they have Internet

        As for me, I’m doubling down on my Spanish practice

    • @[email protected]
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      I can’t even afford to live HERE, in the country I was born and raised in. How do you expect me to move somewhere else and gain citizenship there?

    • @[email protected]
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      What is so fucked that the US isn’t an anomaly. Authoritarianism has been on the rise since the 90s and we don’t really have any more true democracies. The crazy right-wing jackasses that people back in 2000 and 2005 thought were just kooks and nutjobs are now 100% mainstream and they’re taking over their respective countries… We are not in a good place.

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        we don’t really have any more true democracies

        What’s a True Democracy and when did we originally have it?

        Is this where we blink past Jim Crow and put blinders on during the Nixon/Reagan years to pretend popular politics was a real thing prior to Clinton?

        Or are we going to claim 1976 was the only truly free and fair election in IS history?

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          Let me reword that. We have no liberal democracies as we thought of them in the 90s.

          Best part of all this is there are still probably people who think that leftists are the anti-democratic ones…

          • @UnderpantsWeevil
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            We have no liberal democracies as we thought of them in the 90s.

            No. But that’s largely because we were lied to on the definition.

            Best part of all this is there are still probably people who think that leftists are the anti-democratic ones…

            Everyone knows that “Dictatorship of the Proletariat” doesn’t mean “Working People control the government”. It means “One Guy In a Hardhat Is The King”. Now lets re-litigate every historical event between 1917 and 1945, while drawing parallels back to the modern moment and insisting tankies stole the election.

    • @LaunchesKayaks
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      I’d love to leave, but it isn’t feasible for me. I’m absolutely terrified and have no way out.

    • @[email protected]
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      Fuck that, I love this country and I’m not ceding it to a bunch of stupid bigots. They’re the ones that should be leaving.

      • @[email protected]
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        I thought the same except he won the popular vote too. I’m worried this isn’t a minority of people with loud voices…I think this is America.

        I’ve been duped or in denial or something.

        • @[email protected]
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          He won because Kamala underperformed. They both underperformed compared to 2020 actually, Kamala just moreso.

          Voters are disillusioned with Democrats, and it’s no wonder why when the Democrats keep running on policy that is unpopular with their base and relying on orange man bad to get their voters to the polls. It worked once, and then nothing changed, so of course it wasn’t going to work again. Stop trying to push the blame off on voters and use this time to reflect on your own party’s election strategy.

      • @Warl0k3
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        It blows my mind you can still love this country after last night. Dude, we just ceded everything to the bigots. They’ve overwhelmingly achieved all their goals.

      • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost
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        What if I told you that the bigots made America into the hellscape you have Stockholm syndrome for?

        Because the founding fathers certainly didn’t like non-whites. Or even a lot of other white people.

    • @inclementimmigrant
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      Easier said than done there bucko. Most of us are just going to have to live here and take it because legal immigration into another nation is just as bad in most countries as it is here in America.

      • Queen HawlSera
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        Oh it’s worse, the Immigration system for America is actually easier than Canada or Europe

    • Edgarallenpwn
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      Ahhh yes, it is so easy to pick up and move to another country. Why didn’t anyone think of this earlier?

      • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost
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        “If you don’t like America, leave!” Was what Republicans said for decades.

        Now we’re expecting the poor and disabled and BIPOC to just do it because Harris failed. Unbelievable.

    • @TrueStoryBob
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      I’m not leaving. All my friends are here. We don’t run from danger.

    • @Bytemeister
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      Counterpoint… If you leave, you’re leaving the most power arsenal of doomsday weapons in the hands of a moron death cult.

      Stay, and become ungovernable.

      • @Bookmeat
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        You imply that Trump actually intends to govern and not rule.

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          Become unruleable.

          You’re off to a good start.

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        I’m not sure if you’ve heard, but the moron death cult already has the arsenal

      • @UnderpantsWeevil
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        Ah yes, I forgot that I personally controlled the nuclear arsenal. Thanks.

        • @Bytemeister
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          Yeah, you do, or at least a partial control.

          • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod
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            The results of last night’s election says otherwise.

            • @Bytemeister
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              Then run, no amount of handwashing will protect you from nuclear fire.

                • @Bytemeister
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                  Actually, we know the exact amount of voting required to help.

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        By getting yourself a passport, a working permit for wherever you want to go and a plane ticket.

        • TonyOstrich
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          That’s easier said than done. I have a passport, but a lot of countries are still pretty hard to get a job in as a foreigner even with a skill set that is in demand. I have actually been looking for a while. It’s not easy.

    • @masquenox
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      trump is a potential threat to other countries

      At what point in the last eight decades hasn’t the US posed a threat to almost every other country on the planet?

  • @bazingabot
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    There is a saying…

    Make a mistake once and you can call it learning, make a mistake twice and you are eh… not so smart

    Americans need education.

  • @ransomwarelettuce
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    Time and time again I remember this meme

    Basically democracy is government after the people, by the people, for the people . . . but people are retarded . . .

  • @buzz86us
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    And he’ll hand this country to the rich in a silver platter.

    • @pivot_root
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      Either party was going to do that, unfortunately. But this is definitely worse with Putin being invited to take the VIP seat at the table.