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I’d like to see the information environment that made this guy a Trump supporter.
What did he see? Was he deep in Facebook? Twitter? Local stuff?
From what I understand, Republicans, especially in Florida, put out political ads targeted specifically at Cuban immigrants. They play off the inherent hatred of communism in this demographic to convince them to vote against the “radical Marxist Democrats.”
Could just be stupid.
This scene popped into my head. https://youtu.be/hYTQ7__NNDI?si=MKmRo1z2Kop-rwFD
I’ve thought about this scene every day for the last six months
environment that made this guy a Trump supporter
A LOT of Immigrants and Illegals in the US are very pro-Trump. I spoke with a few in my old neighborhood to get their take.
They said that the government didn’t worry them because it wasn’t that far off from where they came from. They felt elitism created niches where someone knowledgeable could profit. Party of the entrepreneurs and all.
Two said they didn’t want any more immigrants here, they felt pressure from the incoming immigrants to take their places and out-compete them for work.
Because this was the last trump presidency, there was less deportation talking. I’m sure that gave some concern, but If I had to guess based on their psyche, I’d say they expected the deportation to lighten the low-hanging fruit and take the pressure off their own jobs at the same time, expecting them would just be ok because they were always ok.
Works even for inmigrants
I get the concept of the meme. There are a lot of people out there ‘worried’ about immigrants taking their (absolutely safe, no fucking way they are going to get that job) jobs
However, fresh immigration does drive down the pay for trade work in areas where immigrants are skilled. Bricklayers, Drywallers, Painters, and Guys slinging up ductwork are getting paid peanuts.
Immigrants coming in do compete for the jobs other immigrants already hold. Any if their status is in question, they’ll work even cheaper.
That’s not the concept of the meme, you have 100% missed the point. Or rather, that’s expressed in the meme. Yes, “foreigner” would want a cookie which the white guy has. But your conception is still that they’re fighting over that one cookie, while the rich dude is actually hoarding all the cookies. You have fully fallen for the propaganda.
I get the concept of the meme.
-proceeds to not understand the concept of the meme and repeat provably false anti-immigration talking points-
Is this the literacy crisis everyone is talking about? Chat, are we cooked?
Yes, you’re cooked.
Cookied.
Any research into immigrants’ impact on economy has found that they benefit the local economy. Moreover when immigrants are picked up by ICE, e.g., during Obama presidency, research also found that jobs didn’t increase and incomes were stagnant.
Check out this book, if you want to look at the research yourself: The Truth About Immigration by Zeke Hernandez
From the excerpt:
Skeptics fear that newcomers compete economically with locals because of their similarities and fail to socially assimilate because of their differences. You’ll see that it’s exactly the opposite: newcomers bring enduring economic benefits because of their differences and contribute positively to society because of their similarities.
Any research into immigrants’ impact on economy has found that they benefit the local economy.
Obviously, they’re filling jobs that are hard and undesirable. They’re filling those jobs often at rates far below the actual value because of their status. It’s like a relaxed version of slave labor. They live together near poverty, doing better than where it was where they came from, and the local economy thrives because the people paying them are making tons of money and spending it locally. Then there’s always the local service economy because they have to eat, rent, and have personal care.
It would be great if they had fast tracks toward citizenship and made a livable wage. But then the farmer employing them wouldn’t have as many people on staff.
However, fresh immigration does drive down the pay for trade work in areas where immigrants are skilled
Let’s just be realistic about one thing, there will always be fresh immigration and you will never see all 20million undocumented people deported.
The problem is that people who told you to be worried about immigrants are using your fear to keep them as an ‘illegal’ underclass. If they were just accepted as human beings and given the same legal rights and protections as everyone else, they too would have to be paid above minimum wage. They couldn’t be forced to work crazy hours for fear of deportation. You would have more people able to join your unions and make your attempts at collective bargaining stronger.
So the answer to your concerns, if genuine, is to stop demonizing these people and start the process of giving them all documentation.
funny enough, I covered those points in the same manner you mentioned in another post.
It would be great if they had fast tracks toward citizenship and made a livable wage. But then the farmer employing them wouldn’t have as many people on staff.
So do you support giving them citizenship, or are you advocating that we continue to allow the farmer to exploit these people?
fuck slavery, give them citizenship
expecting them would just be ok because they were always ok.
And therein lies the problem. “It’s always been good for me so the suffering of others doesn’t bother me.”
That lies at the root of most of our problems. There are more than enough resources to support everyone at a reasonable level if they were distributed fairly. People with empathy think that’s the way it should be. People without it are happy to have everyone else suffer as long as they benefit. Our political system, our press, and large parts of our cultural heritage all favor the latter.
How can anyone think that a few people having billions of dollars is reasonable in a world where there is hunger, homelessness, and lack of medical care?
So what you’re saying is mentally they were already republicans in that they had the “fuck you I got mine” mindset.
Yes, unfortunately, a lot of the rhetoric resonated with them. I pondered trying to reason them out of it. After poking around a bit, it seems like it’s part of their social integration. They took a chance, made it in, and worked hard for what they had. It was like a survival instinct to beat out the competition without empathy. I don’t even know how to argue against that.
I’m guessing that a lot of people who grow up under communist governments have learned that what the government says is bullshit and they should trust what random people say more, since they don’t have the ability to do research online and have access to free, uncensored information.
Then they go to a democracy and continue the pattern.
No idea though.
There’s more context to it. When Castro first took over Cuba, the first wave of emigrants to flee the country was referred to as “the Golden exile.” These were people who already had wealth and/or connections to the previous Cuban political regime. They feared losing their status and privileges under communism, so when they left and settled in other places, such as south Florida, they brought their beliefs and attitudes with them.
From the linked Wikipedia page:
By the middle of 1959 various new policies had affected Cuban life such as the redistribution of property, nationalization of religious and private schools, and the banning of racially exclusive social clubs. Those that began to leave the island were driven by them being negatively affected by new economic policies, their distaste with new national public schools, or anxiety over government supported racial integration. The government would quickly label exiles who left as “racists”, discouraging Afro-Cubans to also emigrate. These conditions caused the majority of those who emigrated to be either upper or middle class, white, and catholic.
As a result, a large number of Cuban exiles that came to the United States aligned themselves with the Republican party. To this day, the connection remains (and is encouraged by politicians that can benefit from it, as another commented noted.)
i reside in a coastal community in south florida, and can confirm that in my experience wealthy cubans are just as racist and classist as wealthy whites. their kids all go to private school together. they have the same 3% stickers on their pavement princesses.
It really doesn’t bring me any comfort to know that these fucks are going to have their wealth stolen from them and treated like any minority by maga-nazis once they run out of people to torment and turn on wealthy minorities.
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He’s a scammer who stole money from people. That’s why he loves a conman like Trump. It’s also the reason why he was detained. Now he’s going to get send to Gitmo, since Cuba probably doesn’t want this guy either.
OMG he must be so happy right now.
He is! He voted Trump for the free flight home! So much winning!
He really owned the libs.
“I’m on of the good ones!” They scream as they are being put into an ICE van!
“I voted for Trump!” They plead.
“I’n here legally!” They cry.
ICE cares not for their screams. For ICE only cares that they are non-white*.
*Don’t worry white immigrants. One day, you too shall be deported. Once all the non-white people are gone.
Funny fact about a cage, they’re never built for just one group, So when that cage is done with them and you still poor, it come for you
Killer MikeEl-PKiller Mike
That was El-P but close enough
Shit. Thanks for the correction!
Everybody should listen to RTJ4. If you were a fan of Rage back in the day you’ll love it.
They made a 4th return of the Jedi?
RTJ radicalized me. Their lyrics are just on a different level honestly
Hell yeah welcome to the right side of History, if anyone’s left to write it. I’m 41 and I was pretty much an anarchist punk by the time I was 18 (I misunderstood the concept but I got it eventually). It’s funny, I became less radical as I got older to where I called myself a democratic socialist. I was inspired by Bernie. But the events of the past eight years and my experiences in life have brought me right back to being a radical leftist.
Good luck, stay safe, have solidarity with the people of this fucked up world.
Oh and read this.
I agree with the sentiment but any bets on when deportations turn into indefinite detentions?
As soon as other countries start rejecting the deportation flights and they Start sending people to Gitmo…
I’m not taking that bet cause I’m guaranteed to lose.
I have a non-Anglo surname, so I’m getting a passport card I can keep in my wallet.
Once all the white immigrants are gone, white US citizens are next in line, especially those who doesn’t fully agree with the reigning dictator
I would bet money he still supports Trump, there’s no limit to the doubling down.
I would bet money he still supports Trump
Obviously, trump just put him there by accident, he didn’t know he was one of the good immigrants, If they just had some way to signal him, he’d change his plan.
The catch is that there’s no real benefit to not supporting Trump, as an individual. Its basically the Pascal Wager. If you pray to Trump, then he may hear you and appreciate it, at which point there’s a small-but-real chance to benefit. If you pray to him and he doesn’t, you’ve lost nothing. If you defy him, there’s a a small-but-real chance he makes your life worse. But if he doesn’t, you don’t really gain anything for your defiance.
The incentives are all skewed as there’s no material support for migrants in the US from either major party. Harris is out there telling people “Do Not Come!” and Biden was deporting people as fast as any prior president, Trump included. Republicans were practically telling on themselves when they insisted that Democrats wanted to import a bunch of voters to swing the election, because that’s exactly what the Republican playbook was in Florida via Cuban Expats (heavily Republican-leaning constituency that enjoy some of the loosest immigration rules on the books).
This Cuban MAGA guy has every reason to keep chanting Trump’s name and hope he (or one of his minions) notices. There’s zero reason to appeal to the Clintonite liberals, as they have no power to improve his situation and no interest in doing so even if they did.
The Cubans thought they were safe because they’ve been staunch Republicans. One of the key demographics in keeping Florida red.
Well, now they learn. And for people thinking oh they’ll release him when they find out they can’t deport him because there are no flights to Cuba…
ICE asks where you’re from but they don’t take your word for it. They can easily decide you’re from anywhere else, like Haiti or El Salvador. And with quotas they are now incentivized to do so, rather than before where the paperwork incentivized them to accept you were not deportable.
I always thought it was funny Cubans voting Republican. I am told it’s because they fear socialism because of Castro, so they vote for fascism. Even though the DNC is still far into the capitalism territory. It makes no sense to me.
They feared the tankies so much, they voted the far-right…
🤣
The first wave of Cuban immigrants to the US came immediately after the revolution, and it was mostly rich people. Castro was redistributing the land and the wealth, executing former police torturers, and going after crime lords who had been safe under the Batista regime, and every worm that could escape did so. These types were allowed into the US for their propaganda value because of course they wouldn’t have any trouble going on TV and talking about how horrible communism was and crying about how their plantations were taken away from them by the government. That group of rich people and cops was already right wing by American standards when they came here, and set the tone for all Cuban migrants who came after.
…and the following waves were prisoners released by Castro.
Under Reagan, but during the Special Period after the collapse of the USSR, a lot of them were economic refugees.
They are heavily propagandized by decades of fear mongering that the Democrats are radical leftists. I’ve seen the same thing in people who grew up in Soviet countries. Any hint of leftism is a red flag to them and plays into the propaganda the right wing puts out. No amount of reasoning about capitalism and universal public goods co-existing in other countries gets through to them.
They won’t learn though.
I think they will. It’s a pretty tight community. At the very least this is going to fracture their status as a dependable demographic.
Deporting him to Haiti would be hilarious.
No it wouldn’t. Nothing about this is funny.
Fuck him and fuck ICE.
they’re together now. rule 34?
He’s also gay which makes his support for trump extra stupid
some people are just trolls but afk as well….
just think about how many internet trolls there are… and write anything disagreeing with anything and a troll will find it and try to argue the opposite side.:. but disingenuously and with the sole purpose of pissing you off….
then if you look at their post history, it’s entirely that sort of thing.
then you have to realize that they’re not all just edgey teenagers exploring the dark side, most of them are full grown adults.
i think a lot of loud trumpets are just trolls living the roll. moral outrage is very entertaining for them because they don’t feel real emotions or have moral motivations….
i’ve heard that america has a much larger percentage of psychopaths because of the way the country was founded… a: genocide, and b: people leaving their family and friends behind probably forever, to gamble on a future…I work with a person like that and it’s driving me up a wall.
He starts arguments for the sake of arguments. He is extremely vocal about anything that he knows will cause any sort of disagreement with anyone. Actively looks for ways to pit other people against each other. Endlessly talking shit to and about everyone. Just an annoying, toxic person. Leadership sees him as harmless, but he is a real cause of a lot of drama in the workplace. Usualy not Involving him directly, but often caused or stirred up by him. Motivated entirely by two things, his amusement, and his money. Everyone else just exists in his world to amuse him.
collage educated, smart, reletivly successful. But fucking toxic.
My point is you are absolutly correct. These people exist. They are emotional stunted and live for cause problems for others. It’s kinds funny for a little bit but gets realy fucking old realy fast.
i think it’s the next level after compulsive/pathological liars….
they’re pretty dangerous people, really… especially if they know you’re onto them.
i’ve heard 5% of people are sociopaths… that’s 1/20, and most sociopaths don’t kill people.
i don’t think it’s emotionally stunted as much as it is emotionally vacant.Ever played undertale? The only unrealistic things about flowey are the murder and the being a flower thing.
That’s a quality self-own, if you ask me.
I’d feel sorry for the guy, but he literally asked for this.
but I asked for it to happen to other people!
He actually just wanted the govt to give him a free ride out.
sounds like some commie shit, too bad there isn’t a communist country nearby…
Protip: You aren’t being a “Model Minority” or “One of the good ones”, you’re being a useful idiot and will be left holding the bag 200 out of 100 times.
Wait, hold on, this person was actually here illegally (not passing judgement) and openly campaigned for someone who was talking about deporting people?
Edit: Fix typo
https://www.cubaheadlines.com/articles/296478
He’s an anti-communist who thought he was the right kind of refugee.
Keeping in mind refugees and asylum seekers are not illegal.
Unfortunately for his dumb ass, Trump didn’t just not reinstate the Wet Feet, Dry Feet policy, he specifically complained about its existence (despite it ending under Obama)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet_feet,_dry_feet_policy
But, also, he’s literally a criminal and a scammer so while this is still a Face Eating Leopard situation it’s not * just* because Trump is a racist.
so this is not an issue of stupidity, just a scammer seeing the opportunity to and trying to board the mother ship by kissing ass (like many other scammers and billionaires) but failing miserably. I am sure when ICE came to get him he was shouting “BUT I SUPPORTED TRUUUUUMP”
Well, that was a pretty dumb thing for him to do. It’s not like Trump was unclear on his deportation policies.
“But I’m one of the good ones”
This is where American politics feels so culty.
So many Democrats and Republicans honestly think they’ll be spared the negative consequences of their vote just because they demonstrated loyalty. These people are very clear on what they’re going to do to you, whether it’s Trump saying he’s going to deport 20,000,000 people or Nancy Pelosi saying 'We’re capitalists" and we’re going to profit while we let our golf buddies rob you of your labor.
This is what the Cuban gentleman voted for, and it’s unreasonable that he expected to be spared.
The difference being that democrats largely recognize the deficiencies of their party. You also don’t see the party rallying behind the Menendez/Weiner/Blagojevich types. This is the advantage the Republicans have - blind, unquestionable allegiance, for better or worse.
The difference being that democrats largely recognize the deficiencies of their party.
I don’t think that matters all that much to the wage workers getting fleeced, considering their steadfast refusal to do anything about it.
I know people like this. For some reason people affected by different policies are surprised because they thought he was kidding. Deportations? Na, he’s not actually gonna do that. Tarrifs? Na, he wouldn’t do that.
I know, he literally said he would, but idk.
Relavant portion, translated, from the article:
The case of Hector Luis Valdes Cocho: From activist to ICE detainee
Hector Luis Valdés Cocho, known for his political activism and criticism of the Cuban regime , faces a complicated legal situation in the United States. He is currently in the custody of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) at the Broward Transition Center in Florida.
Valdés Cocho gained notoriety as an independent journalist, exposing abuses in Cuba. However, in recent months, he has been the target of accusations of alleged financial fraud, which has generated discontent among his followers and affected his credibility. Several people have publicly accused him of questionable practices, including financial deception.
Specific details about the charges he faces have not been released, but his presence at the Broward Transitional Center in ICE custody suggests he could be deported to the island.
Oh my goodness… you’re telling me an outspoken Trump supporter has been accused of grifting? Well, I for one am shocked, shocked I tell you! (obvious /s)
This community really fired up since the US election lol
I re-opened it right around the US election.
Oh… that makes sense then. Why was it even closed down?
Leopards got him
