Summary
Elon Musk’s frequent presence at Mar-a-Lago and his involvement in sensitive conversations have raised concerns among Trump’s longstanding advisers, who view Musk as overly assertive and self-promoting.
Musk’s push for influence, including voicing policy ideas and taking credit for Trump’s win, has raised concerns about his motives and loyalty.
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I suspect Musk’s welcome is as long as his chequebook. I think trump sees the $, if his “advisors” are offering him less $ I doubt Trump cars to listen.
The only issue might be if any of it could be proven to be criminal bribery - that seems unlikely though.
Trump is literally and figuratively immune against any prosecution. He raped children, stole and killed millions.
I am no American, but at this point I think he could produce and distribute CP right in the oval office and nothing would happen. And that is the one thing next to murder, he didn’t already commit publicly.
Trump has a habit of burning everyone close to him the second it is either (A) useful to him or (B) they are no longer unswerving loyal to their fuhrer. Musk is a dumbshit nepobaby who can’t shut the fuck up and steals credit for everything he’s near that he didn’t ruin. It’s only a matter of time before Trump burns Musk, and all I can ask for is that it completely ruins them both.
He’s also the only appointee who’s sharing his power with someone else. Ramaswamy and Musk will not work well together.
Useful idiot has served his limited purpose.
One can only hope.
Looks like we’ll be bringing back Mooches as a measure of political tenure soon.
If it happens fast enough we can have an Elon as a smaller unit.
He’s an accelerationist. He knows the death of America is coming and wants to be sitting pretty, real close to the top when it happens; so he can use his money to become king.
He can’t pretend to save the world if the world isn’t ending.
Which is several layers of stupid, seriously most of the time when empires collapse the ones in power are either remains of the old bureaucracy or warlords. The rich are usually a non factor unless they already fit into one of the previous two situations. None of the billionaires have enough hard power to pull that off in the long term.
I’m hungry and Elon looks nice and plump.
Fucking gross.
Trump’s longstanding advisers, who view Musk as overly assertive and self-promoting.
Sounds like “trumps longstanding advisors” are worried they did all this work to get trump in power to use him are seeing musk come in and begin to use trump instead of them.
I can only pray that they all tear each other to shreds.
Honestly, once Trump gets sworn in, I assume the people around him who want to implement Project 2025 won’t have any more use for him. That’s why Vance is there, just look at his track record, he knows how to play ball.
Pretty much. His advisors have quietly expressed “concern” to the media about a lot of things, and they go nowhere.
Every once in a while, it does. Laura Loomer seems to have been forgotten. That might just be Trump getting bored with sleeping with her, though.
People should be afraid of musk. He’s gone completely mad with power. He doesn’t have to BE the president to be the hand in the puppet. Trump would be difficult to control, but whoever follows trump will be hand-picked.
He’ll have them sign something saying they were never advisors at all and he was there from the start.
Please let them be too busy fighting amongst themselves these next four years they just are unable to get anything destructive done.
Hopefully it’s only 2 years if dems can win back seats during the midterms
I’m sorry for being harsh, but the only reason the democrats exist is to slow down the fascists ever so slightly and then just peacefully hand over power to the fascists when they gain control again.
We need real change, the kind of change that only comes from a revolution. The democrats do not give a shit about you. They serve only the wealthy.
Stop believing their lies. Go out there and unionise!!
I am 100% in favor of teenage drama derailing their efforts to remove bodily autonomy from women.
That’s the plan. But while the government is ineffective, big businesses will have free reign to fuck us over.
At least that wouldn’t be some new dystopian nightmare. Just the same old run of the mill dystopian nightmare we’ve already been living in.
True…but big business still needs us to buy their products, so we are of some use to them
Maybe Elon is playing a 5D chess long game to reduce Trumps harm and help humanity
He a) isn’t that smart and b) would have fucked that plan by handing him all the power with all that money and making the weird incel vote even more guaranteed.
Normally I would find humor in this statement. Not this regime, bro
5D chess to reduce harm done by Trump by… Getting him elected??
I’ve actually had similar thoughts but the logic just doesn’t add up…
It doesnt add up yet
Let the infighting begin! Trump hires the worst people and creates a toxic “vie for the king’s attention” atmosphere.
I wonder how many mooches he’ll last.
Yup! Weirdly Trump’s own worst qualities also tend to neuter his ability to deal damage somewhat (only somewhat! Goddamn is the man just a pandimensional wrecking ball). He attracts some of the very worst people, but then he chews through them for whatever purpose he had in mind for them, and then invariably even those people leave his orbit and go “wow everyone, that guy really is a piece of shit”. Pretty incredible stuff.
Similarly, his only actual ambition is personal greed, specifically his own wealth and fame. There’s no ideology or barely even planning in him I don’t think. Pretty sure his life is really best described as just the series of the nastiest, most self-serving moves he could think of at each moment along the way, with zero purpose except his own enrichment, both in dollars and fame/what he probably perceives as “power”.
Of course what he seems to see as power or something desirable, everyone not trapped in his S-tier narcissism distortion field sees as just him stating the terms of his own manipulation to whomever wants to take advantage, for mutual benefit. Right in the open. But sure, he’s the tough talker we need on the world stage, lol. Amazing. Sorry, just realized I have reached full tangent mode now, I regret nothing but I’ll end my rant heh.
Regardless of how many loyalists he has he’ll get in the way of himself along with some Republicans in the senate, Democrats using the filibuster and the right wing media will get him to change his mind. 2 years isn’t a lot to make all of these changes before the democrats at least take back the House
There’s precedent for it, that’s exactly the (thankfully moronic) dumb shit that happened the last time they had majorities like that. This feels different this time, with the Supreme Court and such, but who knows. Lotta self centered people imagining themselves on top…may amount to little. One can hope.
This is all very true - I’m just hoping he hasn’t learned from last time about how to effect change in government. Unfortunately it seems like those around him are just more sycophantic than last time. One thing he has learned is “who is loyal” which could be a problem…
Yeah, I hear that. I do think his extreme narrow focus is a legitimate and severe neurodivergence, he’s not going to like…stop being that way, ever, to any degree. It’s how his mind is shaped I think, he doesn’t even enjoy music, laughter, actual human warmth, even just alcohol, all things broadly considered to be the most human things. There’s no room for anything but his bizarrely narrow drive.
Whether there are people in his orbit who have learned dangerous things is a more troubling question, one we can only really hope is tempered by his unique extreme toxicity (and hopefully in this case the massive inertia of all the many people in branches of govt who’ve made that their career and have a personal interest in the status quo).
Trump hires the worst people and creates a toxic “vie for the king’s attention” atmosphere.
Now thats a mutually assured destruction scenario I’d be in favor of.
Maybe we can help it along by stomaching a little tactical truth social posting
Donald “I have the record for the most people fired from a cabinet” Trump? He only hires the best people!
And the record most cabinet convictions
I can’t really see 2 egos of that size coexisting. I’m terrified of being wrong about that in this case though
Did you see Don’s face when Elon was doing his jumping shit? Don’s already sick of him, and only keeping him around because he’s worth so much.
Donny always needs about tree fitty.
“So I said, ‘monster, what are you gonna do with tree fitty?’”
“Lord it was scary!”
My coping fantasy plays off of their arrogance. Imagine it. On the day of Trump’s inauguration, he admits that climate change is real and shouts, “good luck, suckers,” as he and Musk board a SpaceX rocket bound for Mars.
A guy can dream. lol
And it explodes on the launchpad?
Is that dream too big?
I mean the King of All Cosmos has a codpiece the size of the moon, so I dunno if he’s really a good voice on the subject.
Still smaller than some King Henry VIII when you factor in relative sizes.
I like to imagine them running out of oxygen and food on Mars after weeks of nonstop arguing, expelling their final, hateful words at each other.
Either way, it’s like having a warm cup of tea under a blanket while I wait out the storm that is my mind.
Any trip to Mars is going to involve massive amounts of personal suffering and privation.
Minimum mission duration of 3 years. Living space no larger than a small RV. All the food is freeze dried. Can you imagine the smell that will develop? If anything breaks, it’s on you to fix it, and there is no trip down to the hardware store, and no United Rentals to bail you out. Any medical complication? There’s no ER, just whatever you’ve got in the kit.
And that’s not even starting on the chronic radiation hazard for which there is no viable option to deploy shielding. And a freak solar flare can cook you with acute radiation that will kill you at any time.
Seriously, we’re talking about an adventure that would be way more epic than Shackleton.
Honestly, I am opposed to sending humans to Mars, period. We shouldn’t do it. It’s unethical, a tremendous lapse of moral judgment just to stroke our collective egos.
There could be life on Mars NOW. There are bacteria that we know of on Earth, that if you transported them to certain locations deep under the Martian surface, would thrive. There are microbes that live in subterranean saline aquifers on Earth, and there are microbes that live in solid rock miles beneath the Earth’s surface. There is no reason that these bacteria couldn’t thrive equally well on Mars.
We know of Earth bacteria that could thrive under Mars’s surface. Which means it is entirely reasonable to speculate that there may already be bacteria there filling that Martian ecological niche. But if we send people there…we risk contaminating it. We struggle to sterilize our rovers, but we do a pretty good job. But forget trying to sterilize a ship full of dozens of people. Our very gut bacteria are a contamination risk.
No, I think we should leave Mars the hell alone. And really, I think we have a very reasonable path forward for still producing very meaningful and important exploration of Mars. Look at how well robotics is advancing. Look at the recent Tesla event where they had all those robots wandering around, each remotely piloted by a human operator. THAT is the real future of Mars exploration.
I think we should simply wait on Mars until we’ve let remote presence robotic tech advance a few more decades. Then, you build such a robot that is durable enough to survive in an autoclave. You do send human to Mars, but they stay in orbit. The humans stay on a craft in orbit, and they remotely pilot humanoid robots on the surface to do the actual science work. This way, you can have exploration that has all the dexterity and flexibility of humans, as humans are able to pilot the robots in real time from orbit. And as an added bonus, your exploratory vehicles can be a lot simpler as you don’t need to bring any crew or samples back from the Martian surface.
I think we could still exploit Mars as well. If we find that there is no surface life, well then setting up mining activities on the surface isn’t a problem. If humans want to colonize Mars, we can build big orbital habitats from materials we mine on the surface. If, after a long period of study, we conclusively rule out the existence of Martian life? Well at that point we can start surface colonization by humans. Or, perhaps we discover a Martian deep-rock biosphere and fully catalogue it. Then maybe we discover that pretty much every terrestrial body has such a biosphere if conditions are appropriate. At that point, humans might decide that colonizing the surface with humans is worth the risk.
Anyway, I really do not support sending humans to Mars. We could potentially wipe out an entire biosphere, a biosphere that if it exists, could tell us remarkable things about how life arises and how common it is in the universe. We’re only a few decades out from being able to do really good remote presence robotics. Let’s just hold off on things until we can send humans that can get the full experience of being on the Mars surface, without actually being on the Mars surface.
Did you watch this video by any chance? https://youtu.be/5GjOuqAlFEk?si=XGnBJThntonV2AHM
But I agree, these arguments won me over. We can just go to the moon or asteroids instead, mars is not that important for a hypothetical human space faring civilization
Yes. I have! Though I have heard the idea before.
You don’t understand though, by being visionaries who disregard accepted margins of safety, they lowered the cost per (attempted) launch by almost 3%!
And it explodes on the launchpad?
That is an acceptable outcome.
Oh please let Trump’s first dictatorial move be to strip Elon of his wealth. We’re all going to suffer some shit but let at least one oligarch stuffer too
It can start by denaturalizing him since he lied on his immigration forms and was in the country illegally when he first came here. That’s not even dictatorial, it’s the letter of the law.
“First they came for the Oligarchs and I did not speak out - because I was not an Oligarch, and really because wage inequality is the core problem facing our society so coming for the Oligarchs seemed like a pretty good idea to me.”
And piss off all the all the billionaires? Not going to happen.
You do realize that all the billionaires don’t have the same motives. A lot of billionaires would love to get rid of some of their peers.
Would be next to impossible to wound the king billionaire without negatively affecting the others.
Bezos might get a kick out of Elon and SpaceX getting their shirt kicked in a bit so Blue Origin or whatever can swoop in for those tasty government contracts
It’s not to piss them off, but to send a message. Just like Putin, he’s going to put the screws to somebody wealthy to send the message “I did it to them, I can do it to you.”
who view Musk as overly assertive and self-promoting
… that’s one way to put it.
Over assertively impregnates employees as a hobby
Offers his sperm for colonizing Mars, aiming to upgrade said hobby
The only redeeming feature of this whole sorry mess will be watching those hyaenas constantly tearing each other apart.
The billionaire cosplayer feels inadequate next to the actual billionaire
